bigmoose wrote:Another Italian worth keeping an eye on is Pinatelli. He has published more openly and described his systems. He has shown radiation after effects in a bubble chamber, but has not claimed anywhere near the excess heat that Rossi has.
"Piantelli’s work with LENR goes back two decades and includes two dozen scientific publications and conference presentations. Piantelli and his colleagues’ only significant challenge came from a group at CERN, the European Laboratory for Particle Physics, but Piantelli’s group published an effective rebuttal.
The Piantelli group’s nickel-hydrogen LENR work remains the most promising demonstration of LENR technology."
There is "something" going on here... and I am not sure what it is... bigMoose on LENR 2011
Joseph C. wrote:Well we are in October. Time to see if physics will have to be completely re-thought a la Special Relativity.
Apparently, another test will be happening in Bologna on October 6, and Brian David Josephson, the Nobel Laureate, will be one of the members performing the test as well as a European patent examiner.
fechter wrote:We should know something soon. Most of the famous scams of the past had some kind of large public demonstration that was invariably cancelled or 'delayed' due to some 'technical difficulty' or political reason. If the demonstration actually proceeds as planned, it would be a positive indication.
This thing does not sound all that hard to build in my garage for independent testing. I don't know what the 'secret catalyst' is, but maybe it works at reduced output without it. How many common catalysts are there for hydrogen reactions? Platinum, palladium, maybe iron? Can't afford the first two unless harvested from a car catalytic converter. Then all you need is some nickel, a hot water heater element, and some plumbing parts from the hardware store.
liveforphysics wrote:If it is real (which I'm 99.99% doubting), then it's going to flip the entire energy industry on it's head, and be the single biggest positive thing to effect humanity since tools and fire.
bigmoose wrote:Right now Rossi is allegedly making low grade 100 degC to 120 degC steam. We are not sure how "dry" it is... So we could think about how to convert that low grade heat into electricity.
While I share Luke skepticism on Rossi, I think we may be on the edge of some new discoveries with respect to the weak nuclear interactions. Think what it was like around 1935 with respect to nuclear fission... no one had it, some postulated it, the right experiments had yet to be done. Exciting times! I guess I want to be optimistic about humanity... the option is a return to the dark ages.
A source, who asked to remain anonymous, told New Energy Times that, on Sept. 5 and 6, a team comprising representatives from an investment group and NASA visited Rossi’s showroom in Bologna, Italy. The team went there with an explicit agreement about test parameters and opportunities to observe and evaluate Rossi’s claims. The team members did not observe any positive results.
The Sept. 5 test was inconclusive because Rossi’s device sprang a plumbing leak. The Sept. 6 test was inconclusive because there was no outflow of steam or water.
However, when reporter Mats Lewan from Ny Teknik showed up the next day, Rossi’s device produced an outflow of steam and water. But by then, the NASA observers had gone.
Bushnell told New Energy Times that their LENR experimental approach is based on the nickel-hydrogen research of Francesco Piantelli, retired from the University of Siena, and Sergio Focardi, retired from the University of Bologna.
The theory NASA is evaluating is the “Ultra-Low-Momentum Neutron Catalyzed Theory of LENRs” developed by Allan Widom and Lewis Larsen. New Energy Times has a dedicated “portal” page for information about this theory.
NASA researcher Joseph. M. Zawodny, along with this writer, have contributed the chapter “Widom-Larsen Theory: Possible Explanation of LENRs in the forthcoming Wiley Nuclear Energy Encyclopedia.
Hillhater wrote:Krivit at New Energy Times seems to take any and every opportunity to shoot down the Ecat project.
They may be correct, but they come across as very negative and biased in their assessment.
Certainly not the kind of independant, unbiased reviews i would expect of a reputable publication.
October 10th, 2011 at 5:15 AM
Dear Vinnie Jones,
Here is the list of the Scientists who attended the test of October 6th:
Prof. Petterson Roland – Uppsala University
Prof. Campari Enrico (Univ. Bologna)
Prof. Bonetti Ennio (Univ. Bologna)
Prof. Levi Giuseppe (Univ. Bologna)
Prof. Clauzon Pierre (CNAM-CEA Paris)
Dott. Bianchini David (Univ. Bologna)
Ing. Swanson Paul D. (Space and Naval Warfare Systems- US Navy)
Prof. Focardi Sergio (Univ. Bologna)
Prof. Stremmenos Christos (Univ. Atene)
Prof. Jobson Edward (Univ. Goteborg)
Ing. Vandevalle Koen (Belgio)
Dr Enrico Billi (Fisico, Ricercatore, CINA)
This list does not include many other techicians who attended.
The technological breakthrough of LENR (or CANR) is no longer speculation. It is a fact that will eventually change the world’s energy problems and its sociopolitical divides through cheap, clean and green energy. The world needs LENR as a new energy source. Although change will not happen over-night, LENR will help reduce CO2 emissions, lower the cost of energy, and provide longevity to our planet’s energy needs.
Defkalion sees its role with responsibility and asks the community at large to continue its support.
• Enhanced technology and engineering on Rossi’s invention or similar inventions
• Prepared business models for international expansion
• Established a strong network of global contacts
• Prepared legislative and certification procedures
• Ensured national, regional and international network in politics and business
• Prepared global financing
Defkalion has worked in close partnership with Andrea Rossi for a very long time to prepare a commercially viable and industrially applicable product using his invention. Defkalion invested a lot of money to evolve Rossi’s E-Cat lab prototype into its Hyperion product. Defkalion is now at the stage where its industrial prototype is ready for production.
Defkalion has held direct business discussions with 62 interested companies who visited our offices in Greece and witnessed our work. Small industry and large energy players internationally were all impressed by our progress in technology and engineering. More are still coming. Despite this phenomenal progress, Defkalion never made promises.
Our aim has always been to inform and demonstrate to public our progress when the final product is ready for use, thereby avoiding any speculations.
Today, Hyperion engineering has completed version 7. We were surprised to see our old designs used in public testing. We were confused why our old designs were implemented wrongly, as well as witnessing insufficient use of instruments and testing protocols. We also identified confidential (yet shown in public) special instruments designed in collaboration with Rossi and prepared by Defkalion. These actions have already paved the way for more negative criticism (unworthy) against the inventor, which do not give credibility to his important work.
The plethora of positive and negative comments is not helpful, as pointed out recently on the Vortex mail archive:
(http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@es … 52357.html).
Defkalion fully supports and endorses this technology. Our mission is to introduce this technology on a global scale, responsibly. To date, we have self-financed all R&D and business development phases without asking for a single penny from anyone (private or public). We will soon be ready to announce the results of our extensive R&D with Hyperion final products.
Athens, October 10th, 2011
Defkalion GT S.A.
bigmoose wrote: If true, he had his chance to display his prowess before accredited US scientists, I wonder why he waited two days to run the demo successfully. It appears he knew when the NASA personnel were coming...
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