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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby amberwolf » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:41 am

I dunno what it clears besides memories, but it definitely lets you know it happened when you get up there in voltage. :lol:

I forget now what voltage the welders were, but they were some kind of "generator powered" stick welders (when you plugged them into the four-pronged huge wall outlet (that I think was 220VAC but might've been more; the plugs were bigger than my hand in highschool, whatever they were) a motor inside could be heard to start up, and a whine start a moment after that, as if a motor was spinning a generator). Anyway, I was on a metal bench putting my gloves and flipdown mask on, with puddles from the previous night's flood all over the FFA/highschool shop floor, to the walls and up to the bottoms of the welders, and the benches. Somebody set their stick electrode down on my bench, and my legs convulsed and threw me into the shop wall hard enough to dent the corrugated sheet metal (it was like a barn style building). I didn't actually remember any of it, or about 3 weeks before or after, and was told what happened (probably more than once). I dunno if it was the electricity or the impact that damaged my memory....


I can't count the number of times I've been lightly zapped by things I was sure I'd discharged (CRTs and caps in disassembled electronics under repair, etc), plus a few times I was working on AC wiring with idiot partners that turned breakers back on while I was still working on stuff. :roll: Now that I have lots of big batteries, I've been zapped a few times on those, but only on the ones at 72V and up so far. Below that, I haven't felt anything beyond a slight tingle even with sweaty hands or arms.


Still, I've been very careful to avoid electric shock, so I haven't been zapped nearly as many times as I would probably have been if I were careless, and I'm sure that I'd've been hurt a lot more otherwise.
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:44 am

Yeh safety is being taught as number 1 so they will be taught proper handling and how to make sure there is a main power cut and how to test with a meter etc. Anysugestions on gloves? I have to do some digging but I think the brushed motors we are looking to use in the truck will be lowish voltage. Im hoping we can run them at ~50v.
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:45 am

Another sugestion list I could use from you guys is cheep things we can build.... Like where do we look for cheep motors, controllers, batteries etc.?
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby amberwolf » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:08 pm

If you don't mind small brushed stuff...powerchairs and electric wheelchairs. Can get them used for next to nothing if you have repair places around that could be convinced of the worthiness of your project. :)

Some of them are quite powerful and easily overvolted, with built-in nice mounting plates and such.
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:36 am

The next thing I want to do is make a list of the 10 biggest misconceptions about electric vehicles and have the data to prove them wrong.
#1 You are just moving the pollution to another location well I'm sorry but Ev's are typically ~ what percent efficiency 70%? gas powered cars are around what? 15%?
so first off you go further on a charge using less energy add some numbers and calculations.... THEN show what most people don't think about how much electricity goes into a litre of gas.... I worked in the oil fields and they use electricity to run the pump jack that pulls the oil from the ground, then they use electricity to move the oil to the tanks then they use electricity to refine the oil into gas and other products and along the way they burn off the bad gas they don't want not using it to produce anything just burn it! Then after they have gas made they haul it to a gas station with a diesel truck then the gas station is powered by electricity.

#2 Range
#3 Battery replacement
#4 Batteries are bad for the environment
#5 Cost of electricity will just go up. But this is where we say you can use wind, solar, hydro and other power to power your car so it doesn't go up!!!
#6 Lithium and rare earth deposits are not sufficient you only need to dig the lithium once you are not consuming it like gas so we don't need to look at lithium mining numbers in comparison to gas or oil because you are using the lithium like a gas tank and the study should actually compare the lithium mining numbers to what they mine for building gas tanks!!!
#7 They are slow
#8 Expensive... Because Ev's are simple with less moving parts they can be compared to electronics and the price of electronics is almost always coming down!
#9 Charging over night in your garage is an inconvenience.... Depending on the batteries but some can be charged in as little as 1/8th hour 8c (might be some faster can be edited) and a charger that stores some energy would be able to charge the car faster, Wireless charging is alrady being developed see Nissan, and honestly you go home most the time anyway... Going to a gas station is actually out of your way and more of an inconvenience!
#10 If it is so easy why have the big manufacturers not already done it... GM did then they took them away and crushed them... Zero bike is doing it right now, so is Tesla,
there is a good chance you wont see the manufactures who already make gasoline powered cars make much of an effort to produce electric cars because they see how much money they will loose! The no longer sell all the parts for services and well lets face it if you were an oil company would you not give the guys producing things to use your product some kickbacks!!!!

This all needs work and editing and more data to back it up, but I want to have a Set of boards in the back when we go to events and display this to all the people who come to see the kids and what we have built!
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:41 pm

Here is a good link showing some safety gloves. http://www.sandyblogs.com/techconnect/2 ... stems.html
Some important safety practices:

•Remove or cover belt buckle
•Wear safety glasses
•Wear rubber-soled shoes
•It is recommended to wear class 0 isolation gloves (leather outside, rubber inside), which are rated up to 1000V (Fig. 5)
•Know where the components are located in the hybrid system and follow all precautions
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Gordo » Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:52 pm

Arlo1 wrote:Another sugestion list I could use from you guys is cheep things we can build.... Like where do we look for cheep motors, controllers, batteries etc.?

So I don't forget, there is a golfcart motor and to rear axles in my back yard you can have.
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:41 pm

Gordo wrote:
Arlo1 wrote:Another sugestion list I could use from you guys is cheep things we can build.... Like where do we look for cheep motors, controllers, batteries etc.?

So I don't forget, there is a golfcart motor and to rear axles in my back yard you can have.

Awesome. We need that. :mrgreen:
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:42 pm

So gordo give me this motor today I am not sure the shape yet but I will look at it soon. I was wondering if any of you have a idea what its like??? Reversible?
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Gordo » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:19 am

It is definitely reversible. We drove that cart around before scrapping it.
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:41 am

Sweet I will look at it soon maybe take it down tomorow night. I think we will put it in the dune buggy... Should be fun untill colossus is ready!
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:50 pm

Ok so tuesday I am taking Vern the guy who started all of this and gordo to http://www.canev.com/ which is only 20 min away. We are going to get some ideas and meet the owner Randy so we can tell him what we are up to. Here is a couple more pictures of what we are working on. We are hoping to make the s10 into a drag truck over the next few years.
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:58 pm

So today Gordo I and Vern took a trip to http://www.canev.com/ and got to see some pretty neet things. Randy the owner has been doing this for a long time and its pretty awesome to see how his hole life surounds this stuff. He is the kinda guy who we need for helping along with the electric revalution!

Here is some neet pics.
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Doctorbass » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:08 pm

Ah interesting.

Also I see alot of past projects in standby mode...

What was Gordo doing there?

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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:35 pm

Doctorbass wrote:Ah interesting.

Also I see alot of past projects in standby mode...

What was Gordo doing there?

Doc

Most those projects are From Randy and more along the lines of been there done that.... Nothing in my world is stand by its all make progress as I/we can.
Gordo was helping us find the place and he has known Randy for a while so it was good to have someone who can justify us being there.
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Gordo » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:40 am

Doctorbass wrote:Ah interesting.

Also I see alot of past projects in standby mode...

What was Gordo doing there?

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Did my frog toque give me away? :lol: :lol: :lol: I've been following Randy's builds for 10+ years. His prices on batteries and parts are great for us, as his volume buying and being local make for low end cost. Shipping adds a lot if we buy elsewhere.

Arlo,
That scooter rear axle you were moving around in the basement, might be good for something with the kid builds? It has a sprocket and differential on it.
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:08 am

Gordo wrote:
Doctorbass wrote:Ah interesting.

Also I see alot of past projects in standby mode...

What was Gordo doing there?

Doc


Did my frog toque give me away? :lol: :lol: :lol: I've been following Randy's builds for 10+ years. His prices on batteries and parts are great for us, as his volume buying and being local make for low end cost. Shipping adds a lot if we buy elsewhere.

Arlo,
That scooter rear axle you were moving around in the basement, might be good for something with the kid builds? It has a sprocket and differential on it.

Maybe... I can't remember it what is it from? I will tell Vern. I think we have a good game plan for now. We should have the bar-stool done in the next week or two then We will get onto my dune buggy and once done that the S10? We are having good feedback from people who might be able to find us big brushed motors from Hysters..... We will see how this year plays out! Once I get colossus working at its full potential I will put it in my dune buggy and let the kids see if there is something else we can use the brushed motor you gave me. That all is If I can get it working! :mrgreen:
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:21 pm

Ok so I spent some time this last week rebuilding the golf cart motor and adding a cooling fan with some hubby style cooling holes ;) Sorry I never got a picture of the brush wires and inside the brush cover after rebuilding it. The brushes were not even fully seated this motor was originally low hours im pretty sure.
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:29 pm

I also took some of the shop where he winds motors man 5 years ago I would say boring. But now... IM jealous! Look at how he has it set up! And it would be awesome if we could use the winding machine for brushless motors! Its pretty sweet as it turns out Neil the shop owner (Burwood's Electric Motor Service) Has a kid at the tuesday night drag race hi thing. And he gave me his ATV to fix so I can make a bit of money and we are trading a bit for free stuff in the future! He scored me the cooling fan and a few things. INCL a 1 wave rectifier that might be good for a quick charging setup!
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby def215 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:01 pm

:shock:

hes got magnet wire galore. id kill for just one spool of that stuff. :lol:

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Postby Arlo1 » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:56 am

We are hoping to be the first on the island with an electric drag vehical. We are having problems finding used forklift motors though....
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:01 am

Ok so I got a ALtrax dcx controller and a couple I can try to fix for a good price. The Altrax DCX is for a shunt wound motor... Meening the feild coil is powered sepratly from the brushes. But I am now second guessing my self thinking the motor might be a series wound motor.... Not sure but Gordo said the motor reversed to make the golf kart go backwards. The only two ways a seires motor can do this are to change brush timing 90 electrical deg. Or to disconect the feild coils from the brushess and hook them in series the other direction. Here is some pics. The inductance of the feild coil post mesured 25uH and the brush posts mesured 280uH
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Thanks Justin of http://www.ebikes.ca/
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And Dave who has some good deals on STUF
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Batteries of all kinds need respect they can burn your house down, so don't sleep with them under your bed or any other were you cant afford smoke or fire!
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:38 pm

Looks like its a series wound motor. So here is a little playing in my shop tonight.
And its going in this ;)
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Thanks Justin of http://www.ebikes.ca/
Also a thanks to Methy at http://www.methtek.com/ :)
And Dave who has some good deals on STUF
RC lipo and most other types of Lithium batteries you MUST know your individual cell voltages while charging and discharging.
Batteries of all kinds need respect they can burn your house down, so don't sleep with them under your bed or any other were you cant afford smoke or fire!
[color=#FF0000][b][size=150]Never above 4.2v never below 2.7v EVER!!!
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Re: Arlo's Tuesday nights at a Drag race hi.

Postby Arlo1 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:07 pm

Some more progress. I weighed the front and the rear with a 6lb block so the total without batteries and controller is 234 lbs!
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Thanks Justin of http://www.ebikes.ca/
Also a thanks to Methy at http://www.methtek.com/ :)
And Dave who has some good deals on STUF
RC lipo and most other types of Lithium batteries you MUST know your individual cell voltages while charging and discharging.
Batteries of all kinds need respect they can burn your house down, so don't sleep with them under your bed or any other were you cant afford smoke or fire!
[color=#FF0000][b][size=150]Never above 4.2v never below 2.7v EVER!!!
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