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[deVries]

Gold is worthless to try & control any of it. Everything Fiat is in Futures, Options, & salary Option payouts too. We are fracked... no going back to any fixed system, because the population keeps growing & Fiat insanity rules... UNTIL it is finally stomped on with real regulations & enforcement. ...haha, the idiot Reps talk about repealing the bill that just passed to regulate & prosecute that 595 Trillion dollar OTC black market.

Just remember 911 & 2008, cuz both were financial terrorist attacks too.

Seriously, our National Security is in far greater danger from these OTC fiat thieves with their black hole sucking & shredding our wealth & jobs into their singularity of their wealth & their ruler-ship.

Since Obama did his State of the Nation speech on Tusday everyone in Congress is running around screaming how we need to bring the jobs back from overseas. How we have to tax the rich more. BS. Yeah, 20 years ago! They just follow their plans & frack us all until we can finally see in hindsight what really happened. Now these rats spew this rhetoric, because they're afraid the scam is up & somebodies going to take the blame.

The mainstream media is proven to be their Matrix. I'm canceling cable & going solo on the net.

[ninjamik]

ok fair said! fellow wolf-hound! protectors of the flock! ...

I was just trying not to totally shoot down everything anyone said!...(the truth is sometimes a little hard to swallow!) and still looking for a non violent take back and re-legislation of all things federal, financial and government option!.. but that said the truth being fully known is always the best option...

Think, sunder may have left a while ago now! I think i may PM him a very curtious and polite letter to re-join the debate...or at least just read our retort..

i mean you rudely set the goalposts to be on super moving target mode! and then even after that the requirements of your challenge are met! you bow out on a picture of a cat rolling a watermelon..

how sad!...I did truly enjoy our prose and parry,...a little cerebral gymnastics...

also, I havent watched a t.v "PROGRAM" in about the same amount of time i last drank brain rot "aspartame"....

[deVries]

I honestly enjoy Sunder's posts. All excellent. He has his ideas that can be quite different than ours. I think he is very intelligent. Obviously, the Aussie government is far fairer to its citizens, so that can skew his viewpoint too. I don't know what type of business he is in? You seem to think some kind of fiat?

We need to learn from other viewpoints & not disrespect in any personal attacks. Personal attacks won't help. But, your humor is excellent Wolf-Ninja.

Your passion is great. Very interesting this history of the world idea your doing too.

Yes, fiat is out of control, & they keep inventing more of it to throw at their Matrix... to shout us down... they are winning this game for 30+ years. They keep inventing new methods... Yeah, Cap & Trade shit on us next. Greenspan sent the signal fires around the world in his Randian Matrix. The market will cure itself. Fraud & evil doesn't harm the whole. It just takes care of itself. Don't touch it with a single enforcement cause you'll ruin our private 595 Trillion bets against you little peon-ones. We KNOW what's best.

[nechaus]

You guys are to obsessed with this subject. WAY to obsessed.
I find it interesting and i think things could be better, but things are gradually getting better.
After doing some research, poverty is actually on a decline.

I think you guys need to have a cup of concrete and harden the f up.
If your not working, go get a job, or make a business, do something constructive, because constantly thinking and talking like this surely is not doing you any good. You do not know all the facts, No one knows all the facts. accept it.

Make the "system" work for you.

[deVries]

You guys are to obsessed with this subject. WAY to obsessed.
I find it interesting and i think things could be better, but things are gradually getting better.
After doing some research, poverty is actually on a decline.

Not true for the USA. The middle class is shrinking & the poor are growing. We aren't anywhere near the employment levels of PRE-2007 and don't even have the middle class of 2001 before 911.

Not sure if we've even hit bottom in the USA. You Aussie's are in much better shape, because you have banking laws that are actually enforced & protect your citizens with firewalls between your stock markets & banking & insurance that keep "too big to fail" liabilities from spreading parasitically onto each other.

[LegendLength]

It's funny you don't see a lot of economic professors at the occupy rallies. You'd think they'd be the ones pushing hardest because they have a full understanding of economic principles (as opposed to half-baked left wing psuedo-economics).

[wineboyrider]

You guys are to obsessed with this subject. WAY to obsessed.
I find it interesting and i think things could be better, but things are gradually getting better.
After doing some research, poverty is actually on a decline.

Not true for the USA. The middle class is shrinking & the poor are growing. We aren't anywhere near the employment levels of PRE-2007 and don't even have the middle class of 2001 before 911.

Not sure if we've even hit bottom in the USA. You Aussie's are in much better shape, because you have banking laws that are actually enforced & protect your citizens with firewalls between your stock markets & banking & insurance that keep "too big to fail" liabilities from spreading parasitically onto each other.

Yes, partially true. But, the US dollar is the main part of the IMF's currency reserves so that are not sheltered from it entirely. Australia is also a major exporter of "real" goods like coal et al. The banking bubble is constantly being pumped and eventually it will collapse taking the entire WORLDS economy down with it and the US's will fail, but it will fail MORE, because eventually the dollar will be dropped as the "world's " currency and all hell will break loose.

[ninjamik]

well said wineboy, but devries wasn't saying America wern't fracked..to the contrary he said he didn't think USA had hit bottom..

but you are correct..USA will soon fall as the world reserve currency and world economy may collapse.. and just imagine how what 200-100 million armed crazies will do about the fact their oil food is so expensive..(and american idol/the superbowl has been cancelled due to power shortage) It will be a melee, the worlds most powerful army trying its best to control a revolting "worlds most well armed populace"

the intention is for USA just so skulk off with their tail between their legs and join Mexico and Canada in the NAU superstate... but I believe the land of the once free won't take that lying down..

[strantor]

well said wineboy, but devries wasn't saying America wern't fracked..to the contrary he said he didn't think USA had hit bottom..

but you are correct..USA will soon fall as the world reserve currency and world economy may collapse.. and just imagine how what 200-100 million armed crazies will do about the fact their oil food is so expensive..(and american idol/the superbowl has been cancelled due to power shortage) It will be a melee, the worlds most powerful army trying its best to control a revolting "worlds most well armed populace"

the intention is for USA just so skulk off with their tail between their legs and join Mexico and Canada in the NAU superstate... but I believe the land of the once free won't take that lying down..

I agree. Hard to predict when this will happen; predictions have come and gone, and yet nothing, but I believe it is inevitable. I don't supprt Obama, but I had a chuckle when people criticized him that the economy didn't grow as much as he promised. Any system based on perpetual growth is doomed to fail. My analogy is maggots feasting on a corspe: They multiply exponentially, consuming & producing at an ever faster rate. They are very efficient, very industrious, a model that (disgusting aspect aside) would be exalted by todays society. However, eventually they run out of corpse and eat eachother. When they run out of eachother, there is nothing but flies and shit - and then the cycle starts over again on a new corpse. Another analogy: the unloaded brushed series motor - The current in the armature is the same as the current in the field, so as it spins faster the current deceases in the field, which propels it faster...and on and on until it spins itself into shrapnel. I am talking about any & all models based on perpetual positive feedback (biological, mechainical, societal, etc-ical) - This is the model, and the scenario would play out the same with any society based on it, regardless of whether the society was know for "the worlds most powerful army & worlds most well armed populace." It's happened with every great civilization that has ever risen based on the principle, Roman, Mongol, Spanish, Turkish or "Ottoman", Napoleonic, Russian, Japanese, British, etc (many more).