bit of a stupid question but....

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bit of a stupid question but....

Postby nechaus » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:46 am

Can you fill the bike tyres/tubes with helium ?? would it make the setup lighter? and would it work?
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby markobetti » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:49 am

you can fill it with water if you want but you will not get a water - jet . Helium inside tires to make them lighter...man forget that ...
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby rojitor » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:56 am

The wheel will not be noticeable lighter, its particles are smaller than air's so the tyre will lose the pressure in no time,hellium is more expensive than air (free so far) therefore you better not bother.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby nechaus » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:58 am

Forgotten lol
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby Ypedal » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:51 am

I"m going to add this to the faq .. lol...
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby full-throttle » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:13 am

:lol:

It's been asked many times before
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/599822-Helium-in-tyres-for-weight-weenies...

as well as helium filled frames
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=520678

you're better off filling your tyres with latex sealant - it WILL save weight AND stop punctures :wink:
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby rojitor » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:15 am

Ypedal wrote:I"m going to add this to the faq .. lol...


You can not even imagine how many people ask that question, i have seen it on several forums. Btw as soon as you move this to faq i am sure pixar will increase "up" sales.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby Hardcarve1 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:42 pm

The same question is asked in kitesurfing and the answer is no as well.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby Sunder » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:36 pm

Pure nitrogen is sometimes used for better heat dispersion, and even pressures, which can very slightly improve efficiency at high speed. It's commonly been used n race cars and airplane tyres, but I think is a bit of a gimmick in normal cars, let alone ebikes. Maybe if you were a constant high speeder?
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby Ypedal » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:39 pm

Nitrogen is supposed to remain constant at various temps..
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby Hillhater » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:48 pm

Ypedal wrote:Nitrogen is supposed to remain constant at various temps..


sorry YP, but that is not true.
All gasses behave in the same way with regards to pressure and temperature ( Boyles Law).
Any gas will increase in pressure when heated in a confined vessel.
The reason why nitrogen is used in tyres for race cars and aircraft is because it is almost completely uncontaminated with water vapour (which is in most compressed air).
Water vapour behaves very differently to a pure gas when heated.( more pressure increase)
Also nitrogen is inert, and cheap !
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby heathyoung » Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:15 pm

AND nitrogen is a much larger molecule than helium - your tyres would go flat every day - this is why they have those special foil balloons that stay inflated and floating for weeks versus 1 day for normal rubber balloons.

The only thing that would go flatter even faster would be hydrogen.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby TylerDurden » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:57 pm

When my tire guys ask if I want nitrogen, I tell them I already run a 78% blend.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby nechaus » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:43 am

Yeah I was just looking at the periodic table..
something i should of figured out myself...
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby Nehmo » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:14 am

nechaus wrote: tyres/tubes with helium ?

That would be useless. However-
If you happen to be in an area where the wind is relatively constant, and it might be in Brisbane, Australia, and if you are travailing with the wind, and you don't exceed the vector-calculated speed of the wind, and you tether a helium filled (experiment for size) balloon so that the total height isn't enough to reach overhead obstacles (<4m), you would assist your forward movement as with a sail.
You could even use cheap hydrogen if you are careful about ignition. Then you can afford to deflate the balloon for trips opposing the wind.
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby wineboyrider » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:24 am

Fill your tires with Red wine from Wineboy of course that way when your motor breaks down you can at least taps some off waiting for ride!
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby Kin » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:58 pm

It's a sad truth, as a kid, that one only realizes what could be done with a 60lb lift weather balloon, once they themselves get older and weigh 90+pounds. (dear metric friends, 27kg and 41kg).
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby The fingers » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:03 am

An automotive tire guy told me that his nitrogen might freeze the inner tube in a bicycle tire and cause it to crack. True?
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Re: bit of a stupid question but....

Postby Kin » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:47 pm

If you're talking liquid nitrogen, that can drop the temperature enough to crack rubber (not sure if it's about glass-transition temp, or if it's just how polymers generally become more brittle with lower temp.)

If you're talking about air nitrogen...Idk, i don't see how that should cause the rubber to crack. Air is already mostly nitrogen. For kicks, I just googled http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/ho ... ns/4302788.

I somehow doubt this is all that important though.
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