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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by neptronix » Nov 30, 2017 4:13 pm

fechter wrote:
Nov 30, 2017 2:51 pm
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I don't see this. Where is it?
You'll see it in the upper left in the board index, or in a category view.

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In a forum view, it's on the right.

The one place it's not visible is in the individual posts. Although... i might be able to jam it in by shuffling the theme around.
This theme just doesn't always have a consistent place for the link to go.
Not in ProSilver theme.

Just curious; is there a theme editor somewhere? Some features are present only in certain themes. Some features should be in all themes.
I sort of like the Milk theme except the font colors make some things really invisible.

It would be great if there was a view your posts or quick links button at the bottom of the page next to the Home and Board index, etc.
There is no such thing as a theme editor. Each theme has a few hundred files and a good knowledge of CSS, HTML, and possibly Javascript plus a unix-compatbile text editor ( windows return characters in the files = entire display is broken ) is necessary to edit these themes.
These newer phpBB themes are responsive and incredibly complex. For example, it took me about an hour to add the 'view your posts' link to 2 pages and reformat the CSS so that goofy things didn't happen in mobile versus desktop.

I will see what can be done about adding the 'view new posts' to prosilver as well.
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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by teklektik » Nov 30, 2017 4:22 pm

mark5 wrote:
Nov 30, 2017 1:27 pm
neptronix wrote:
Nov 25, 2017 10:04 pm
But here is what's planned.. aka the 'easy list':
...
2) Removing the subject from replies in thread views after the first post ( really.. this is just a waste of space that clutters things up )
Works fine except in the not often occurring case when merging a separately posted topic...
Actually, I know that both Justin and I put different subjects on posts if they have useful explanations, etc. This makes the search results bring up something pertinent about the post and makes the post stand out on the page. For instance, all of the many CA3 beta release posts that contain new firmware have unique subjects (e.g. "v3.1 Beta 16 Released"). In another post I had a subject something like "Testing Controller FETs and Motor Phases with or without a DMM" so the subject is called out even though it's a sort of off topic response. Now there's nothing there to clue in the reader what the post is about.

Certainly moving forward a text Title in a larger font size can be manually inserted but that seems so backward when the concept of 'subject' is so all pervasive and already supported by dedicated entry fields. (Luckily, I also put text titles in all the CA firmware release posts so they are still visible as significant posts for CA users in the 150+ pages of posts in that thread even though all the subjects are gone...).
  • FWIW-
    Instead of discarding the 'Subject' feature entirely, IMHO it would have been better to repair the specific aspect that seemed troublesome (screen real estate for duplicate subjects) .

    I think it would have been better to have suppressed display of the subject line only if it was the same as the topic. That would recover space for posts that don't use the subject feature but would have left the 'subject' feature intact for those that do use it. Similarly, merged threads would retain the subject of their original posting and so would be visible.
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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by tomjasz » Dec 02, 2017 3:01 am

THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO BE AVAILABLE

“Actually, I know that both Justin and I put different subjects on posts if they have useful explanations, etc. This makes the search results bring up something pertinent about the post and makes the post stand out on the page. For instance, all of the many CA3 beta release posts that contain new firmware have unique subjects (e.g. "v3.1 Beta 16 Released"). In another post I had a subject something like "Testing Controller FETs and Motor Phases with or without a DMM" so the subject is called out even though it's a sort of off topic response. Now there's nothing there to clue in the reader what the post is about.”
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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by tomjasz » Dec 02, 2017 3:19 am

Please put subjects back!
Thanks Justin_le we're here thanks to you. All the best to the mods for their tireless work keeping it on an even keel.

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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by Alan B » Dec 02, 2017 9:32 am

I also change the subject line in specific posts for a number of reasons, so this information is now invisible. As threads mature the first post can be modified and these new titles accrue to new posts unless the poster specifically changes it. In addition the merging of threads is harder to follow when the titles are lost.

Additionally, the first line text now often crawls under the upper right buttons and make it difficult to read because the titles are not there to push the first line further down.

Tweaking the themes causes lots of side effects, new conflicts and issues.

Thanks for all your effort.

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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by fechter » Dec 02, 2017 1:25 pm

Here's how it looks:
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Not a big deal but does make a few words unreadable sometimes.


Is it possible to "borrow" or import themes from somebody else who has got one dialed in nicely?
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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by neptronix » Dec 03, 2017 9:47 am

Well since there was so much opposition to removing the subject lines, i put them back.
No use adjusting the small visual glitch without them.
Is it possible to "borrow" or import themes from somebody else who has got one dialed in nicely?
Yes, but due to the low popularity of phpbb >3.0.x and the mega complexity of the mobile compatible themes, you won't find many themes out there. We spent days looking for a better theme than the default one and the best one we could come up with was the milk theme.

..but that theme would be even more polarizing than this one.. so what you're looking at is my improvement of an improvement on subsilver ( se_square ), with various odd gaps and display bugs fixed, plus the fonts tuned up significantly.

If you can find a better theme, feel free to throw it out there.
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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by teklektik » Dec 04, 2017 9:23 am

I can't find posted reference to matter, so:

What's become of the edit history and the operative plan?
All the old history has gone missing and new edits don't seem to generate retrievable history either.

No strong feelings - I can't say that I'm a huge fan - personally, I mostly use it to examine deleted posts...
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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by nicobie » Dec 04, 2017 3:23 pm

It's probably just me, but I can't find a way to stay logged in. I check the "save me" box but am not getting any results. It's kind of irritating having to log in every day.

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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by markz » Dec 04, 2017 8:55 pm

I am getting used to it now, but the phpBB's in page border never changes.
I marked it in red for the picture below. I do CNTRL then mouse scroll up or down to get the text right.
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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by amberwolf » Dec 04, 2017 9:44 pm

It'll go away as you zoom in Ctrl+ to increase font size (depending on your browser's function keys).

But then everything gets bigger (not just the text).

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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by markz » Dec 04, 2017 10:51 pm

The red lines (in my attached picture above) of the border stay the same. Maybe its just my browser. But its no big deal, very minor problemo amigo.

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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by amberwolf » Dec 04, 2017 11:17 pm

Ah, well, if I have my FF browser fullscreen like yours, the border goes away for me once I'm about 7 levels in on the font increase. Less with a narrower window.

Normally I only use my browser about 5/8 my screen width, and only 5 levels greater font size. That's at 1680x1050 on a 22" (IIRC) Samsung widescreen.

(I keep other windows/etc open or need space for them onscreen for various things I'm doing at the same time as browsing/posting/reading, *and* I don't like having to traverse a very wide screen to read things--I prefer keeping the whole "page" in the center of my view like a book page, so I don't get lost while reading lines of print, especially while scrolling up or down. )

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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by neptronix » Dec 06, 2017 3:54 am

amberwolf wrote:
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Ah, well, if I have my FF browser fullscreen like yours, the border goes away for me once I'm about 7 levels in on the font increase. Less with a narrower window.

Normally I only use my browser about 5/8 my screen width, and only 5 levels greater font size. That's at 1680x1050 on a 22" (IIRC) Samsung widescreen.
Holy crap amberwolf..
I have a 28" 1920 x 1080 display and i can read at a zoom level of 0 but legally need glasses to drive.
What kind of eye problems do you have?
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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by amberwolf » Dec 06, 2017 2:28 pm

I could "read" it at that level, but it would give me a headache pretty quickly, squinting and turning my head and whatnot to follow the lines.

It's easy and comfortable at 5 levels up, less so at 4, etc.

No reason to strain oneself if there's no need (isn't that half of why we're putting motors on our bikes? ;) ), so I do what's comfortable.

Unfortunately there's quite a lot of things that don't correctly support doing this, so I end up hacking things visually as much as I can.

I have bifocals for things like reading small print, but they're really only good for about 12-16" away, and only for the tiny area the bifocal part exists in. The other part lets me see normally farther away (like for riding). Outside of the 12-16", it's easier to see without them, by just making print bigger, etc.

I used to be so nearsighted that I could read the tiny decals that came with Tamiya military models, which just look like dots or streaks to most people, but actually are faithful replicas of the labels on things, just in millimeter-scale. :) But nowadays I'd need a microscope to see those things (I'm almost 50 :shock: just after the next fire anniversary).

I also have always had trouble with certain color combinations, like red text / white background and to a lesser extend white text on red background--those blur together unless I hold my head sideways, which makes it a little better. It's worse with skinny vertical letters, vs wide horizontal ones (and that part is also true of most other text on any color combinations). Black text on an amber background is the easiest to read, but the bright color gives me a headache after a while. (used to be that amber on a black background (like dumb terminals) worked really well, but it gets blurry nowadays unless the letters are really thick or huge). Lightly shaded ambers (like dimmer incandescent-lit paper) are not quite as easy to read but they don't give me a headache. The next best is the light blue backgrounds with black text. Just black and white is another headache waiting to happen.



(also, the frames of my glasses are disintegrating (my sweat/skin destroys things plastic or metal or cloth), and they're the last set of frames I have that fit these lenses; I don't know anywhere that will let me buy just the frames, they require that I pay to get a new prescription and pay to get new lenses, and I definitely cant' afford that--I couldn't even get two sets of glasses, one for reading / computers and one for walking/riding around, back after the fire when I got the ones I have now. So I also don't wear them unless I have to right at that moment. I have one set of Bill's old glasses that are close enough to my far-seeing prescription to wear for short rides, so I use them for my work commute, since the lenses sometiems fall out of mine, and I don't want to lose them on the road. But I start to get a headache wearing them for much longer than that).

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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by nicobie » Dec 06, 2017 4:07 pm

nicobie wrote:
Dec 04, 2017 3:23 pm
It's probably just me, but I can't find a way to stay logged in. I check the "save me" box but am not getting any results. It's kind of irritating having to log in every day.

thanks,

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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by mark5 » Dec 06, 2017 4:36 pm

nicobie wrote:
Dec 06, 2017 4:07 pm
nicobie wrote:
Dec 04, 2017 3:23 pm
It's probably just me, but I can't find a way to stay logged in. I check the "save me" box but am not getting any results. It's kind of irritating having to log in every day.

thanks,

Nick
I must be the only one here with this problem...
Did you readed :) neptronix's posts before, in this same topic, about login problems? If no, you not only one have a problem. Example:

neptronix wrote:
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Harold in CR wrote:
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Still always requires login even though I have the remember password box checked [...]
My suspicion is that you have a bookmark for https://endless-sphere.com or something.
https:// and http:// are considered different sites by cookies.

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Post by nicobie » Dec 07, 2017 2:52 pm

Thanks! I'll try with a new bookmark.
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Re: Differences between the old and new version of phpbb & proposed changes

Post by macribs » Dec 08, 2017 7:07 pm

Could you add that "sneak preview" when mouse hovering over a subject thread? Thread preview on mouse over I think it is called. Use the least intrusive one with plain text. Very nifty.

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