Renault Twizy

[Matthijs]

Yesterday I drove the Twizy again and the Fluance. I made pictures of some components. The controller is the 48 V 275 A version. It has Hella motorcycle headlights and an Iskra electric motor.
http://www.iskra-ae.com/eng/ac_motors.php

[o00scorpion00o]

Nice thanks for the pics!

6kw/hr battery so about 130 ah ? i would like to get my hands on those cells!

How about someone rent one for a day and stick a few ping pouches in instead ? and take the good cells!

Only 48 volts fro 80 kph! not bad, so at least we know that at 72 volts you would probably get 65 mph ?

Hmm would make an interesting thing to hack, only your range would go down at 65 mph!

I wonder how many ah of Zippy compact you could fit in there ? I bet a bms for LiPo would cost a fortune!

[Matthijs]

http://www.renault-twizy.info/forum-twizy/moteur-t180.html

[o00scorpion00o]

Brilliant twizy porn!

I wonder why they didn't choose hub motors, surely they are more efficient than powering a gearbox ?

[Lessss]

no hubs is likely to avoid Chinese manufacture.

[Lebowski]

According to the link to the French page its an asynchronous one, so not a BLDC

[o00scorpion00o]

The motor looks pretty big ?

It has no cooling, so I wonder how much more power you could dump into it, even to hack the controller for more current for more torque!

Does it have halls ? maybe the controller could be tweaked like the infineons for 120% ?

[o00scorpion00o]

Someone on a forum here told me that he was in a Renault dealer and told him Renault are deciding wether to offer twizy with the battery or not!

Good or bad ?

That would cost almost 12,000! Euros ? 4 k extra would get you Zoe.

[Matthijs]

That is great! Because Zoe is without battery. And this opens up all kinds of opertunities!! Because now you can not tune a Twizy. Because the battery is not yours. So making changes is impossible. If you have more info please let me know! I would like to have one without a battery...

[o00scorpion00o]

That is great! Because Zoe is without battery. And this opens up all kinds of opertunities!! Because now you can not tune a Twizy. Because the battery is not yours. So making changes is impossible. If you have more info please let me know! I would like to have one without a battery...

I'm not sure they will offer it without the battery but with the option to buy twizy and battery together.

[Matthijs]

That is great! Because Zoe is without battery. And this opens up all kinds of opertunities!! Because now you can not tune a Twizy. Because the battery is not yours. So making changes is impossible. If you have more info please let me know! I would like to have one without a battery...

I'm not sure they will offer it without the battery but with the option to buy twizy and battery together.

IC. Well maybe the battery can be sold and with money make your own pack. Or change the pack. But I would still like to have my own pack to create freedom from Renault...

[o00scorpion00o]

That is great! Because Zoe is without battery. And this opens up all kinds of opertunities!! Because now you can not tune a Twizy. Because the battery is not yours. So making changes is impossible. If you have more info please let me know! I would like to have one without a battery...

I'm not sure they will offer it without the battery but with the option to buy twizy and battery together.

IC. Well maybe the battery can be sold and with money make your own pack. Or change the pack. But I would still like to have my own pack to create freedom from Renault...

Yes I know what you mean.

Still I think I would rather their battery including bms in there than to try and manage a load of Zippy compact!

You wouldn't fit as much LiFeP04.

[lee]

I went into a renault dealer today to buy a twizy. Until I came across the following problems.

1. When you insure the twizy you also have to insure the battery separately. The dealer did not know this and did not know the what value to place on the battery therefore allowing me to insure it. Prior to the I went on money supermarket .com and the cheapest price was £213 which is very nearly the cost of insuring my brand new audi q5. God knows how much it'l be with the battery costs.

2. When you sell your twizy in the future you will still be liable for the monthly leasing costs of the battery until the new owner receives a form from the leasing company, signs it and then sends it back to them. This could open up a huge can of worms if the new owner proves to be unreliable or just does a runner. The renault dealer was unaware of this.

3. If you want to terminate your battery lease prematurely you have to get the permission of the leasing company. They precede all of their information with the phrase 'if we agree to the lease being prematurely terminated'. WHAT IF THEY DONT AGREE TO TERMINATE THE LEASE ? The renault dealer did not know this

4. If you decide to sell the car within twelve months of your battery leasing agreement the penalty cost could be horrendous, i.e. into the high hundreds of pounds. the Calculation is c = tr x 0.38 x ut / ph - 4 Where c = compensation tr = the total amount of rentals for the period of hire ut = the unexpired term in months from the date of the return of the battery to the end of the period of hire ph = period of hire. PLUS theres a £65 admin cost PLUS excess mileage cost. The renault dealer did not know this

5. I asked the renault dealer what happens after say a four year lease had expired and you decided to sell. He didn't know.

6. There is a maximum leasing period of 6 years or 150000 miles. I asks dthe dealer 'Then what'? You've guessed it. He didn't know.

I walked out without buying one. I was genuinely thoroughly disappointed. I don't know what to do.

[o00scorpion00o]

Yeah I think Renault need to inform insurance companies and all the dealers about Twizy and all the crap people have to go through.

It would make life so much easier if they just gave people the option to buy it with the battery.

My insurance quote was 854 Euro's if you think your quote was bad!

[lee]

My quote for £213 was just for the car. I dread to think what it'l be for the car and battery. I was really keen on it before I found out all of the above problems. You can buy a vw UP for only a £1000 more and that's a proper car, that does roughly 70mpg

[lee]

They just need to sort out the battery leasing agreement. In principle it's a good idea to lease the battery because it roughly halves the price of the car (battery value app roc £5k) BUT they need to sort out there leasing rules and then most importantly make sure the salesmen in the showrooms know what they are. I spoke to another dealer this afternoon and he was clueless as well.

[o00scorpion00o]

My quote for £213 was just for the car. I dread to think what it'l be for the car and battery. I was really keen on it before I found out all of the above problems. You can buy a vw UP for only a £1000 more and that's a proper car, that does roughly 70mpg

My quote of 854 Euro's was just for the car also, I think they just gave me that quote to get rid of me off the phone!

As for the VW up, I wouldn't trust the 70 mpg claims, generally cars get much less!

[lee]

had quick look on the french site. It looks as though its £1000 cheaper in france. Why do we in the uk always get screwed

[lee]

is there anything else out there for approx the same price thats electric I'm going off the twizy big time. I sold a lovely morris 1000 convertible this morning to make room in the garage for the twizy. A big mistake

[o00scorpion00o]

Probably the vat ?

[o00scorpion00o]

is there anything else out there for approx the same price thats electric I'm going off the twizy big time. I sold a lovely morris 1000 convertible this morning to make room in the garage for the twizy. A big mistake

Don't give up on twizy yet. Wait until things settle down.

Electric bike would be a lot cheaper!

[Lessss]

It sounds like the best way to get a twizzy is to create a dummy corporation drive it till it stops working then walk away from the corporation.

[Matthijs]

Yeah I think Renault need to inform insurance companies and all the dealers about Twizy and all the crap people have to go through.

They did. It is all in this document. If you can translated from Dutch. I can not find an english version. In Holland the Renault dealer is insuring the battery for €9,- a month. The battery is valued around €3800,-. It is all in the document Renault made for insurence companies.
http://nivre.nl/userfiles/downloads/Fli ... kering.pdf

[o00scorpion00o]

Yeah I think Renault need to inform insurance companies and all the dealers about Twizy and all the crap people have to go through.

They did. It is all in this document. If you can translated from Dutch. I can not find an english version. In Holland the Renault dealer is insuring the battery for €9,- a month. The battery is valued around €3800,-. It is all in the document Renault made for insurence companies.
http://nivre.nl/userfiles/downloads/Fli ... kering.pdf

They obviously didn't get that document here then!

[lee]

I got a phone call from the renault dealer telling me the battery is worth £8k!!!! i.e. that means I've got to insure it for that. Renault insurance wanted nearly £700 Its bloody madness.
The problem with insuring a second car is you lose all your no claims discount because they won't transfer it.