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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:27 am

A *mostly* stripped frame.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:28 am

The motor, the arrows are the upper motor mounts.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:40 am

The measurement from the center of the steering stem tube to the back of the motor cavity of the frame.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:45 am

If both of the AngiMotors are going to be sticking out on either side, that is going to have to be one long shaft connecting them.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby jonescg » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:32 pm

You can move the motors further forwards, and tuck them inside the frame a little. My motors are only about 190 mm apart if I recall... The diameter of the Agni is only 250 mm, so you won't have any problems with the drive sprocket being too far forwards.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:00 pm

Don't the motors have to be out in the wind? Also, didn't you use a different frame then the one I'm using? Not sure if the spacing will be the same.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby jonescg » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:28 pm

The motors will pull air from the endplates and spit it out radially. So it's not going to help them much by being right out in the breeze, except mean you need even bigger crashbars around them, potentially affecting your ground clearance at lean. It also means your toes won't be touching the motor :)

The spacing will be different for sure, but it's not going to matter much. I would recommend the motor shaft be kept as short as practical though.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:43 am

So just the end plate needs to be out in the wind? I was playing around with some crude mock ups on Sketchup I did, and it seems like if I am going to have the shaft line up with the chain, the motor needs to be sticking out rather far on the one side.

I just turned down the deal to race a Lightning motorcycle today. So now I really need to get this bike built in time for the first race.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby sflorlando » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:38 am

This is a great thread. Cant wait to see what you end up with.

Makes my moped build look very silly indeed!
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:11 pm

The Soliton controller just showed up today. Damn, this thing is HUGE. Glad I went for the JR and not the full sized.

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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:15 pm

sflorlando wrote:This is a great thread. Cant wait to see what you end up with.

Makes my moped build look very silly indeed!


I don't know, I think all EV builds are great. I would like to get the chance to see your moped one day.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby sflorlando » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:23 pm

You just might...I was in your area this past weekend doing the solar thing. And by solar I mean soaking up some rays laying on the beach!

That controller is huge. Specs are quite impressive though. Someday I will do a full motorcycle conversion.

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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:48 pm

Ken, I go up to Orlando quite a bit. Maybe we'll meet up one of these times.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby sflorlando » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:59 pm

definitely! The only ebike I have ever seen was my own, would be cool to pass ideas by you and nerd it out a bit.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:02 pm

Ok, This is a very crude attempt at mocking up in sketchup. I believe this model is actually a GSXR 1000 frame, it definitely isn't exactly a 600 frame. But it was the closest thing I could find to get the general layout. My crude model of Dual AgniMotor 95R motors, and zippy flight max cells. I actually got lazy and both packs are the same size, even though one should be 4s instead of double 5s. But I figured it would be better to make sure there was room for a larger than needed pack than to go for a smaller than needed pack.

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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:04 pm

Ken, if you want to check out some awesome electric bikes (bicycles) you need to check out Drew's builds. He is in Orlando too. Stupid fast bikes. I love um. :twisted:
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby sflorlando » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:28 pm

Thanks, Yes I have sent him a few PMs's. Id love to see some of his bikes. Crazy fast stuff.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby drewjet » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:19 am

Maybe when you are ready to work on that pack we could all get together for a nerd session
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby jonescg » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:24 am

Jay64 wrote:The Soliton controller just showed up today. Damn, this thing is HUGE. Glad I went for the JR and not the full sized.

solton_jr.jpg


http://evnetics.com/products.php?prod=jr


Good thing you chose a Gixxer for a donor bike - they really are the wheelbarrows of the sports bike world :lol: And your batteries will fit down nice and low. You should be able to sit this thing under the tank cover pretty comfortably.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:03 am

drewjet wrote:Maybe when you are ready to work on that pack we could all get together for a nerd session


Sounds like a plan to me.




Chris,
Yeah, working the basic dimensions out it looks like there is going to be plenty of room. Now I just need to work out the details for the motor mount/battery tray hardware. I've got it in my head, but there seems to be an electrical short somewhere between my brain and my drawing hand. :oops: :lol:
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby sflorlando » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:13 am

Im totally down for that!

Right now I am stuck on smelly petrol, my bike is currently dead with a smoked hs3540 and scooter is still in the works.

The race bike will be so slick when done. Cant wait to see it.

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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby drewjet » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:56 am

sflorlando wrote:Im totally down for that!


Ken


Awesome. We need to get on this if it's going to get done on time. I am only working part time right now, and pretty flexible, so just pick a day and time.

sflorlando wrote:
The race bike will be so slick when done. Cant wait to see it.

Ken


See it??? I want to drive it!!!!
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby sflorlando » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:58 am

Yes I concur. Im a network administrator for a local accounting/tax group in orlando. Once the busy tax season is done, I will have more time on my hands, finally ending these six day work weeks!
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:09 am

I'm getting a little bit more of a hang of this software. Now I figured I would try and figure out how I was going to do the series/parallel connections of the packs.
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Re: Electric Race Bike

Postby Jay64 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:19 am

I have the packs paralleled on bus bars into strings of 8 for 40ah. It is kind of hard to tell in these pics, but each bus bar is sticking out 1/2" on opposite sides from it's sister bus bar on the same string to give something to connect the strings to. Each string has a 1/2" gap between the next string to leave room for each string to be encased in 1/4" polycarbonate boxes, and connected in series to the next string.
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