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Re: Battery Sources from Forum & did Reid ever order fro

Postby xyster » Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:43 am

Deepkimchi wrote:...
Next is more expensive - and still haven't figured out if Li polymers are always Li-Po4 batteries - $749 :shock:
http://www.texaselectricbikes.com/catal ... -c-36.html


No! And the distinction is very important. Lithium polymer is the same lithium cobalt (LiCo) chemistry as in laptop/cell phone batteries (lithium ion a.k.a. Li-ion), but packaged into a polymer allowing cells of odd sizes, such as "prismatic" (rectangular). Lithium polymer carries all the risks, benefits, and concerns of lithium cobalt since it is lithium cobalt. Lithium phosphate (LiPO4) is a different chemistry, safer, longer-lived, lower energy density, higher power density. The a123 cells are the most common example of lithium phosphate. Lithium phosphate can also be packaged into a prismatic form. Lithium manganese (LiMn -- example: Emoli cells) is a third kind of common lithium chemistry that sits between LiPO4 and LiCo in most measures of performance.

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Lithium ion and polymer:
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-5.htm
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-3.htm
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Same here, are Li-Polymers Li-Po4? $ 460 for 10 ah with BMS.
https://2339072343.monstercommercesites ... rodID=3326


These are lithium polymer, not LiPO4. Besides the big tag saying "polymer", the voltage is a dead giveaway. Lithium polymer and lithium manganese cells are 3.7 and 3.8 volts nominal per cell respectively. Lithium phospate cells are 3.2-3.3 volts nominal.

If I was you, I'd check into Forsen's selection of lithium phosphate and lithium manganese packs:
http://www.forsenusa.com/batteries.html
Ypedal here has a thread of his tests of Forsen's LiMn pack.
If I remember correctly, Kokam also makes large LiPO4 cells.
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Postby Ypedal » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:33 am

Did i read that right ? you are in korea not far from Kokam ?

Walk in there and grab me a few extras !! hehe..

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Anyone buy from JV Bike - Experiences

Postby Johnbear » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:17 am

Has anyone ever bought from this guy in Vancouver. I have bad luck. Everytime I ask if he has something he always seems to be out of stock. I now buy from Justin - he is a great guy :).

Quote from local e-bike shop jvbike, "There is always something new at the JV Bike - the Best Urban Cycling Store in Canada! " :)
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Who's the guy in Vancouver?

Postby Deepkimchi » Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:03 pm

Was wondering which bike shop you meant? A local or on the internet?

FalconEV got me miffed, but I reckon I'll still order the flippin Li Po4 batteries.

Before I order he sends an e-mail it'll be 30 days.
Once my $ 590 check arrives I get an email 60 days. :evil:
Literal slow boat from China
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http://www.jvbike.com/

Postby Johnbear » Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:37 am

http://www.jvbike.com/ - He sells motor kits and ships in Canada, I am not sure about the US.
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby Lock » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:00 pm

Cyclone motors and kits have been brought up here before many times. Especially the thread last August "Dahon Matrix with Cyclone 500w" from hopbot (who doesn't seem to have posted since then - hopbot, ya there? Just wondering how life with the Cyclone was going...):
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1757

I believe I saw a reference somewhere that "back in the day" Cyclone were offering cobalt lithium? Might be wrong there, but the point is they are offering LiFePO4 packs now, so just wish to add their name to this thread (`cause all the rest of the references to Cyclone on ES are about their motors and the chain drive):

http://cyclone-tw.com/order.htm

Can't comment on their pack prices myself. Anyone?

BTW, the US/CDA rep for Cyclone TW has a site that seems to be down? Permanently? Don't know:
http://www.cyclone-usa.com/

A week or so I posted a link to the Green MotorSport lithium-ion power pack (sized like car batteries):
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3368

Cyclone is promoting a similar packaging of 12v lifepo4, plus touting "We can build LiFePo4 Battery voltage over 300V with BMS, suitable for 32KW motor."

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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby hopbot » Fri May 16, 2008 9:30 am

hey there guys, i'm here! sorry i havent posted in a while. the rainy season hit then i got back into racing RC cars after about 20 years! just rode the bike yesterday (hit 32mph!). i still love it. i noticed the cyclone site has changed a bit. they do seem to be pushing the DIY package for LiFePO4. i had received a 17Ah LiFePO4 pack from them that they dont seem to offer anymore.
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Re:

Postby MitchJi » Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:05 am

Ypedal wrote:I can vouch for Justin at Ebikes.ca.. not only does he provide excellent support, he TESTS his packs before he ships them ! Very good thing !


Hi,

This says a lot about Justin :)

The fact that he feels compelled to do this also says a lot about the quality
(or lack of quality) of affordable Ebike packs :(
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby Parker » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:25 pm

I found this place that sells batteries and packs, custom too. Might be useful...

http://www.robotmarketplace.com/store.html
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby ejonesss » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:21 pm

they even sell the a123lifepo4 (dewalt) loose cells for $16.50.

Parker wrote:I found this place that sells batteries and packs, custom too. Might be useful...

http://www.robotmarketplace.com/store.html
stuff for Even Newer 4 to 24-cell Battery Management System (BMS)
32 lifepo4 cells 16s2p 40138 green cells √
16s2p 40138 based pack built assembled (building electrical equiv to $2000 eonyx system.*
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby BungaEBiker » Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:42 am

Ok, here goes
I am planning an e-bike build, it's been in the works for some time and I am now finalizing and starting to purchase all my needed goodies. I have several questions regardng batteries.
1, I am a larger person and was wondering if a 36v or a 48v system would be better?
2 The dewalt 36v battery pack, does anyone know the ah rating on them?
3 Is it better to buy a back or make my own?



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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby MitchJi » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:09 am

Hi,

BungaEBiker wrote:Ok, here goes
I am planning an e-bike build, it's been in the works for some time and I am now finalizing and starting to purchase all my needed goodies. I have several questions regardng batteries.
1, I am a larger person and was wondering if a 36v or a 48v system would be better?
2 The dewalt 36v battery pack, does anyone know the ah rating on them?
3 Is it better to buy a back or make my own?

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1. http://www.ebikes.ca/simulator/
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1499

2 (and 3): http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2498
3. http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5416
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4455
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby paultrafalgar » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:16 am

A request: Please don't call batteries LiPO4 or Lithium Phosphate and especially not Lithium ion phosphate when you mean LiFePO4 or Lithium Iron Phosphate. It's very confusing :wink:
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby BungaEBiker » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:18 am

Thanks Mitch

Has anyone ever baught batteries from this site? http://www.batteryspace.com/
They seem to have alot of batteries and have a section for e-bikes. Some of the batteries look realy spiffy and others are run of the mill. If they are a good resource then WOOHOOO
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby pwbset » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:03 pm

How far are you needing to go? Hills? Etc. Details are good.

If money isn't an issue go with DeWalt A123 for sure. High power LiPo from BatterySpace I'm sure would work to ( http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?P ... egory=1260 ). They are kind of generic, but I haven't really heard anything bad so far. Some members like Methods have been having fun with RC LiPo packs ( http://www.hobbycity.com ). Some people will warn of the hazards of LiPo and 'splosions/fires, which can be true if mis-managed. If you worry about that then LiMn or LiFePO4 are the better chemistries out there. You'll hear about Ping packs, but if you're a "bigger" guy that won't cut it power-wise probably. Are you a tinkerer? If you want to build your own pack you can get toolpacks and rip them apart for the cells. Milwaukee, DeWalt, Bosch, Makita, Rigid all have good cells... "emoli" "konion" etc.

The search box in the upper right there is your friend. There is so much information on this forum that any question you have has likely already been answered 5-10 times by the "experts". Have fun! Post pictures of your build! :D
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby Allan » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:58 pm

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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby methods » Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:33 am

Just hit Hobby City - $60 for 5Ah 22.2V

$240 for 44.4V 10Ah

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9176

WOW

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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby pwbset » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:03 am

methods wrote:$240 for 44.4V 10Ah


And like only 7lbs... sheesh...

But... then tack on balancers/chargers etc. etc. and I'd almost just load up on like 6 $45 Bosch fatpacks for $270 @ 37v13.2ah 490wh at that point 'cause they are a "safe" chemistry (we won't go there :wink:), don't need balancing, can also deliver 15C sustained if you really need that much power and you can use any old cheapo 37v lipo charger that you probably already have laying around. The fatpacks would weigh well over twice the lipo though... 7lbs... that's yummy... :mrgreen:

Nice to see we have so many options these days!
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby methods » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:15 pm

Must be tough for you guys :mrgreen: I have no less than 10 lipo chargers in every flavor from 1S-6S, 12S, 24S.. My 12S and 24S chargers go at 1KW so it only takes me 45 minutes to charge up any of my big packs.

I have been modifying 12S balancers and I have tried a couple of the 24S BMS's. Still looking for a better balancing solution

Been running with the BM6 cell level monitors and that has been great!

Anyone who is already invested in Lipo cant miss... My lipo packs are 24S 10Ah (8 - 5Ah 6S packs) so fore me, this is a slam dunk.

And yes... we wont get into the chemistry arguments :roll:

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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby MrKang » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:49 am

Hi eva

Looks good and promosing ! When do you think the warehouses are filled in Hamburg ?
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby RTLSHIP » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:13 am

Last year I bought four 12v 11ah Powertron SLA's from Sunn Battery, an ebay type store. They have turned out fine. The one odd thing is that each battery weighs about 6.5 lbs, which is a bit low for SLAs. I've seen other 9 &10 ah SLAs that weigh more. this is a plus.
Anybody know about the quality of Powertron?
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby magudaman » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:05 pm

www.Ecitypower.com comes off initially as shady but I really have got some amazing products for good price. I buy my headways from there everytime for $14.75 per cell. You of course must add about 200 dollars in shipping costs but it still cost less than USA retailers. They also have BMS units upward of 100 amps for up to 24 cells for around $100 if not less, depending on cells. And of course the 10a 48v chargers for $90.

I can vouch for the quality of the stuff received too. Everything listed above I own and has been in use for over a year with no problems. I did get one bad BMS unit and after some back and forth of check voltages at specified points the got me a new one free of charge. Write one of their sales staff directly ,get a quote, pay via pay pal and have it by the end of the week!
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby auraslip » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:45 pm

Has anyone used bmsbattery.com? I've heard it's the same as ecitypower.

A 48v10ah headway pack with 240w charger is $400 SHIPPED.

That is $80 less than the equivalent ping pack. And testers here have found them to be 3c cells compared to pings 1c.
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby miuan » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:42 am

They do deliver your goods in a cheap way, but are slightly unreliable in the process.
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Re: Battery Packs - Where to buy them

Postby DimGr » Fri May 20, 2011 3:42 am

does anybody know if LifeBatt (http://www.lifebatt.com/) is still in operation?
I sent them an email several days ago and I'm waiting for their reply... :roll:
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