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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by teslanv » Apr 03, 2017 9:52 am

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by macribs » Apr 03, 2017 2:19 pm

Cool to have your very own booth. The EV world need more people to spread the word and show the naysayers that the future is electric. And both your builds are taken far beyond the average build so you really deserved your own booth to display your builds and inform people about the EV and show folk EV is cool, usable already and will become even better, cheaper and more powerful in the years to come. Too many people are still clutching their fists to ICE vehicles, refusing to see beyond today, and are ill informed or just plain ignorant about what EV is all about and has already become.

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Apr 04, 2017 1:49 am

Hello Teslanv,
thanks for your kind assist, nice to see that all the stuff is back.
Regarding the name it is also ok for me as it is!

Hi macribs,
thanks for your friendly word. Yes, it was a nice experience for me and I really lieked it to speak with people about ev´s.
The first question some of them asked me how far can you drive with your GSXR. Then I have to say sorry, it´s not my intension to drive long distances it´s only for my hobby. By the way the booth itself is from my brother, we use it in drag track event´s but I got the place from energy park to present it!

We also talk about the costs of ev´s . Ok, a Tesla is a very nice car but how many people can buy such a car ... yes, only the upper class.
A lot of people do also not want to spend 30-40.000€ to a small car, when they get a bigger petrol car for her money.
They are looking for cars around 10.000€.
There must be the possibility like the start in the early 50th with VW Beatle to get a car to a big crowed of people. Then everything grows up very slowely but I think the company who will manage this will make a big deal!
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by marcexec » Apr 04, 2017 2:18 am

Rovii wrote:Hello Teslanv,
thanks for your kind assist, nice to see that all the stuff is back.
Regarding the name it is also ok for me as it is!

Hi macribs,
thanks for your friendly word. Yes, it was a nice experience for me and I really lieked it to speak with people about ev´s.
The first question some of them asked me how far can you drive with your GSXR. Then I have to say sorry, it´s not my intension to drive long distances it´s only for my hobby. By the way the booth itself is from my brother, we use it in drag track event´s but I got the place from energy park to present it!

We also talk about the costs of ev´s . Ok, a Tesla is a very nice car but how many people can buy such a car ... yes, only the upper class.
A lot of people do also not want to spend 30-40.000€ to a small car, when they get a bigger petrol car for her money.
They are looking for cars around 10.000€.
There must be the possibility like the start in the early 50th with VW Beatle to get a car to a big crowed of people. Then everything grows up very slowely but I think the company who will manage this will make a big deal!
Well, you can always convert a VW Beetle :)
http://evalbum.com/type/VOLK - about 300 in total, more than half Beetles

P.S.: would you please wear a helmet when you ride the bike on the street? Would be a shame if we lost your skills here. :shock:
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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by flat tire » Apr 04, 2017 2:28 am

Holy Christ. I am extremely disappointed at the pairing of a liter bike with a 34KW motor. WTF dude. I get that it's a GSXR but you've disgraced it all the same.
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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by macribs » Apr 04, 2017 3:55 am

There must be the possibility like the start in the early 50th with VW Beatle to get a car to a big crowed of people. Then everything grows up very slowely but I think the company who will manage this will make a big deal!
Afaik there have been only two cars that have been for the everyman. Beetle like you said and the T-Ford. If 3 is the magic number maybe this time we will see an EV designed to "fit em all" with a price tag that most of us can afford. Such a vehicle would really get ignorants and naysayers to open their eyes.

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by marcexec » Apr 04, 2017 5:11 am

flat tire wrote:Holy Christ. I am extremely disappointed at the pairing of a liter bike with a 34KW motor. WTF dude. I get that it's a GSXR but you've disgraced it all the same.
Fully understand you, I'm envious, too! I mean, he can ride his bike already and I still need to work on mine...
An I'm not sure if I can ever match his workmanship either - sooo jealous :wink:
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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Apr 04, 2017 6:15 am

marcexec wrote:
flat tire wrote:Holy Christ. I am extremely disappointed at the pairing of a liter bike with a 34KW motor. WTF dude. I get that it's a GSXR but you've disgraced it all the same.
Fully understand you, I'm envious, too! I mean, he can ride his bike already and I still need to work on mine...
An I'm not sure if I can ever match his workmanship either - sooo jealous :wink:
Hey guys,
if you really read this topic you will find out that the motor I used now in the GSXR 1000 is only a compromise solution because I am waiting now over 14 month of an already ordered and paid custom frame from KKK!

I ordered the bicycle frame in February 2016 as normal bicycle frame with 135mm drop out.
KKK promise me to deliver the frame before eastern 2016.
In June 2016, QS-Motor bring out a preorder for their new motor and I talked to KKK is it possible to change drop out to this new motor drop out of 230mm and he said no problem, your bicycle will be an powerful and awesome build.
I got this motor last August but no bicycle frame and also get no feedbacks from him via email!
But now I hope to get him by this week cause I remind him friendly via Facebook.
Then the motor will shifted to the bicycle frame and the GSXR will get a little bit more electrical power!

Therefore I already started in parallel with the defect GSXR 1000 I have in my garage and come to the end by end of August first to use the motor in the GSXR because she was standing there and so I can go now on drag track this year and have fun.
So, that you can better sleep: I already thought about the 1000 at the fairing maybe to change it to e600, standing for electrical , 600A phase current!
Sorry I forgot to say that I retired to drive on public streets.
In my FB comment I stated clearly that in normal case I wear a helmet and clothes!
My fault sorry guys
This was only for the 300m run that there exist a short video from it and you see now a face who build it!

And what should I say ... it made really fun to ride the bike to the 1,2km far away exhibition, where I wear at least a helmet,
I drove very slow behind my brother who was riding my bicycle "Straightliners Rising Sun" manually.
People don´t hear us but when they saw us they are looking with open mouth!
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by teslanv » Apr 04, 2017 7:36 am

flat tire wrote:Holy Christ. I am extremely disappointed at the pairing of a liter bike with a 34KW motor. WTF dude. I get that it's a GSXR but you've disgraced it all the same.
I think it's the most awesome conversion I've seen.
I kinda want to do the same thing with a Hayabusa. :twisted:
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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Apr 20, 2017 7:13 am

Ok guys,
last Tuesday the February 2016 ordered bike frame reached me ...
At first I try to go with 17" motorcycle rim but that´s definitely not possible. I tested it with 20" bicycle wheel from my daughters bike.
The frame touch the ground and the wheel in the fork has a 5cm gap to touchdown.
Therefore I decided now to go with 21" motorcycle rim which I used at Rising Sun.
So I have to find a drag race wheel for 17" motorcycle rim with outside diameter of 21" motorcycle wheel which I can fix on my 4,5" "wide" rim
I put in the 28" front wheel and 26" rear wheel from Rising Sun to get a fast feedback about the distance between frame and ground.
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- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Apr 22, 2017 12:02 am

So with the 28" wheel at the front and the 26" rear wheel it has following dimensions:
Bike high: 78cm/30,7"
Wheel base distance: 1,88m/74"
Bike length: 2,55m/100,x"
Distance from frame to ground: 6,5cm/2,55" @ front; 8,5cm/3,34" @ rear
And for the hubmotor with 4,5" x 17" motorcycle rim I found now a Hoosier front wheel for drag race cars (27,5" / 4,5"-17").
I hope that the hubmotor will not destroy the wheel.
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by flat tire » Apr 22, 2017 12:20 am

OK, adjusted my views, now your project is only cool, no longer lame for the lack of power. 34kw is still more than an unskilled rider can use.
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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Apr 27, 2017 12:11 am

The day before yesterday I got my new dismountable Motolug HDE motorcycle trailer.
Now I can forward my ev´s legally on German streets and after dismounting I can put him into my trailer :wink:

The reason I decide me for the trailer is very easy:
- dismountable (have no place to put a second trailer on my parking area)
- carrier ramp is loading ramp (so no additional ramp needed
- ev´s high only 5cm (other trailers like this have a drop down (up to 5cm at front wheel, so the bicycle frame or motorcycle fairing will have direct contact with the carrier ramp (without fixing the bike´s)).
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- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » May 09, 2017 12:55 am

The frame was sand blasted and primed.
So no more chance of rust.
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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » May 29, 2017 12:25 am

I am fighting now with controller settings of KHB14601.
When I go to full throttle position and hold it (from standstill) the controller makes frequently resets until he stopped at a speed between 90-100 kph.
The failure code says: Maybe caused by overvoltage, bad motor intermittent earthing problem, bad wiring

When I accelerate smoothly maybe to 60 kph and go slowly higher and higher with throttle position it speed up to 122 kph until my test road ends and I have to brake.

Also I can accelerate up to 50-60 kph in full throttle position and then go back to a middle position and continue slowly with acceleration step by step

My settings at the moment are:
motor phase current: 100% = 600A
battery current: 80% (175 V DC, 20Ah, 60C/120C)
Under voltage: 100 V DC
Overvoltage: 180V
Throttle up down rate: 5 (1-20)

Has someone a good info for me to solve this issue?
The next steps for me that I will go on 80% of motor phase current and if it not worked I will go from 42S to 36S and also try to get throttle switch in full position.
Btw. I have no cycle analyst or something else!
Thanks Andre
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- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Jun 02, 2017 6:11 am

Gotcha!!!
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- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

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Post by Rovii » Jun 16, 2017 1:39 am

And here the official results from last weekend ...
For sure at the end I am faster then BMW C evolution in top speed but not in acceleration.
I got 5 controller current cut outs in 6 runs and I also change voltage level from 174,8V to 146,6V and therefore increase the current.
But with all settings I came I think to max power very fast.
So I have to continue testing to find the best setting.
In last run when I made my best result I was starting on 146,6VDC with 100% motor phase current, 100 battery current including a trick.
Every time when it seems to cut out, I got back from full throttle position a little bit and directly go forward again.
So I got no cut out but of course I lost time during let´s say switching from one gear to the other.
But at the end I found it was a good result and very nice weekend with my bro!
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- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Jul 07, 2017 12:12 am

New top speed record on 730m landing field at Bamberg airport.
I already started to remove old KHB14601C controller and think about the different possibilities how the fix the new KLS14401.
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- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by liveforphysics » Jul 07, 2017 12:46 am

That run with the 2.5sec 60' was way faster than all the rest! 14.6 is quick!
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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Jul 07, 2017 1:44 am

Thanks but the motorcycle overall weight with 365lbs is too heavy for this 14kW (cont.) motor!
I think you will get these 14,6 seconds with less motor power on lightweight bicycle frames for sure!
But I also think that fairing will help a lot!

Edit: I attached now the controller settings but all the time I got internal resets I try to compensate via turning back the throttle signal for short and turn it back to full throttle position

For the test run at Bamberg airport I put the settings to 68% motor phase current (400A) and 100% battery current and get the better result.
The second I tried to go on 100% motor phase current (600A) and 100% battery current but get reset by controller (of course the acceleration was better but during the distance maybe it costs time and distance not to beat the first result on 730m. So I also drove 780m but only reach 170 kph.
Maybe because of voltage drop during first run I made on 173V and second run I measured 169V.
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- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Jul 09, 2017 11:53 pm

New KLS controller is already installed, parameterized and I made already the first little test ride around the block.
KLS needs a little bit longer for start up but after 5-10m the punch will come.
Let´s see the test results in 1,5 weeks.
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Ohbse » Jul 10, 2017 5:25 pm

Well done! Mid 14's is not slow with a hub motor and a 2.5 60' is not terrible for your power/weight. Seems your biggest constraint at this point is controller, hopefully the newer model Kelly is better.

I highly recommend the Mobipus 72600 - this would require you to lower pack voltage considerably but is capable of 600a battery amps and more phase amps than your hub can handle. It's substantially better in the software and reliability than the Kelly IMO. This should easily deliver 42kw and has many options for extending top speed beyond pack voltage.

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Jul 12, 2017 1:16 am

My problem is that I have ordered a 144V motor after I asked Kelly Controls for the most powerful controller.
That´s why they recommend me KHB14601. But it seems that this "old/new" controller type has some internal problems!
Kelly Controls have also KLS96600 (600A) phase current. But with this "low" voltage I will never reach max turns (1740@144V ==> Kv=12,08).
BTW the motor can handle up to 703A for 3 seconds and 563A for 30 seconds (manufactures statement), so I can go with 600A for the short distance (402m) on the motor.
Well I hope that KLS14401 will now work proper. I will see it.
By next winter I will change the controller again to water cooled Emsiso emDrive500 (125V, 500A/800A, 62kW cont/100kW peak).
So next year I am able to kill the motor :wink:
With 125V I will also not reach the top speed but this controller has field weakening option.
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Jul 19, 2017 3:16 am

So I have cancled test run for today with KLS controller, because my tyre is loosing air.
The same problem I had 2 month ago and repaired it.
But now it´s time to change to new tyre, also regarding the estimated top speed I will reach.
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

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Re: Andre´s GSXR 1000 K2 with QS Motor 273 80H, 34kW

Post by Rovii » Aug 11, 2017 12:20 am

So with new tyre, now 160/60-17 Conti Sport Attack Soft I hope that test run can be done on next Wednesday.
I hope to beat my last speed record of 176,94 km/h (109,94 mph) on 730m distance with new KLS 14401 controller now.
- Fastest speed record 200,49 kph on flat after 740m (175V, 400A)
- Fastest 1/4 mile @ 157,12 kph on flat and 14.468 sec (146V, 600A)

14/34kW QS-Motor 273 80H 7T winding (560A and 1740 turns @ 144V) @ 169kg GSXR 1000 K2

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