Taking Charge: Let's Develop the Products That We Want!

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Re: Taking Charge: Let's Develop the Products That We Want!

Post by dmwahl » Jun 30, 2015 4:05 pm

Which EV manufacturer do you work for? Might help people give appropriate responses.

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Re: Taking Charge: Let's Develop the Products That We Want!

Post by halcyon_m » Jul 03, 2015 9:57 am

I should specify that when i offered to develop products for the ES community, that it would be as a separate venture. My current employer is not currently in a position to serve the enthusiast community.

Im guaging market needs. There are currently many electric cars and bikes on the market. Where are the gaps?

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Re: Taking Charge: Let's Develop the Products That We Want!

Post by psych0hans » Nov 15, 2015 1:05 am

Hi guys, I'm new to this forum, but not new to the world of manufacturing. I actually became a member to gauge the market for electric bikes/mopeds/motorcycles. It seems that whatever product is available of a good enough quality, is priced beyond the reach of a majority of the population. Taking the Bolt M1 as an example, It's priced at $4,995/- if I'm not mistaken. $4,995/- will get me a fully fledged motorcycle, which might not be as efficient/cheap to run, as an electric bike, but will definitely be cheaper and more efficient than a car. I feel that the market needs a product in the sub $1500-2,000$ with similar, if not the same capabilities. Is this even possible? I saw another product on the market for $10,000/- which is a strictly "Off-Road" product, capable of speeds in excess of 85km/hr. How many people would pay that much for a really fancy electric bicycle?

I'm just beginning my research in this field so I'm not really aware of all the nuances and costs involved. As a company, we manufacture windscreen wipers and Exhaust systems for passenger cars and LCVs in India. This, I thought, might be a good extension of our fabricating and manufacturing capability, to fabricate and assemble electric bicycles. any input on what the market needs would be highly appreciated.

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Re: Taking Charge: Let's Develop the Products That We Want!

Post by Ralith » Nov 15, 2015 1:38 am

Good-quality motors, controllers, batteries, and sets of bike parts can cost several hundred dollars each at that power level. Prices are dropping, and DIY ebikes (read: no overhead costs) such as are common around here can easily halve the price of comparable commercial offerings, so it's definitely doable, especially if you do some vertical integration, but it won't be a walk in the park.

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Re: Taking Charge: Let's Develop the Products That We Want!

Post by psych0hans » Nov 18, 2015 1:10 am

That's something that I believe is changing over time. Also I think a more "bare bones" approach is needed to keep the costs down and then maybe add the bells and whistles at an additional cost? I don't think EVERYONE needs a WiFi enabled Bluetooth connected "smart" cycle which keeps track of twitter feeds and Facebook updates... lol Something that takes you from point A to point B in the most uneventful way possible with a range that JUST meets the needs of the consumers and no more, with a speed that's just at the legal limits of the particular state/country. Not everyone needs 40-50 miles of range and 30-50mph of top speed. We could save a lot of money and weight by keeping the battery capacity at a bare minimum. I'm thinking a range of 20-30 miles with a top speed of 20mph, maybe a targeted weight between 30-40lbs. Sub $500-1,000/- price tag, with additional options like a bigger motor and battery pack. No Suspension on early models. Probably a "Fat Bike" so the tires can take care of the suspension part with maybe a suspension seat?

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Re: Taking Charge: Let's Develop the Products That We Want!

Post by SpeKterDesigns » May 11, 2017 11:00 pm

Even in the last 2 years since this post say the burgeoning amount of start-ups made by crowdfunding and the maturity of the electronics and even battery market and access to better a cheaper manufacturing skills and materials.

Everything is on fast path, the one thing that doesnt change as fast as the technology is the user requirements people requirements if they had ben written to best possible out comes 10-5-2 years ago I dont believe would have changed much its just the architecture and software capabilities that are really make headway.

The best environment to develop in for users is the least regulated ones and then get a return and start meeting regulatory markets one by one.

But there is also so many products to make, as individual designs to have enough cars to replace gasoline cars you need as many electric cars.

Many of us have our own idea;s and even I come here cap in hand with my own ideas to put together.

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