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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by pwbset » Apr 17, 2012 1:30 pm

Awesome, if sad, thread. Thanks for all your research.

I'd love to see a similar thread of actual available EVs in the US. Wasn't Subaru going to release one sometime soon?! I love the idea of the Nissan Leaf, but for less than half the cost I could build an electric car myself with equal or better range. *sigh*

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by oatnet » Apr 17, 2012 4:34 pm

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Brammo Empulse. Current status: Still vaporware, although Brammo at least has shipped a few Enertias to show that they're for real.
A recent email from brammo (I preordered the empulse):

We are proud to announce that we will be revealing the production version of the much anticipated Brammo Empulse on May 8th, 2012. The launch event will take place in Los Angeles and will be webcast live to all pre-order customers. Since the Empulse concept was first revealed, a vast amount of development and testing has taken place and we are confident that you will be delighted with the ground-breaking electric motorcycle we are about to reveal. On April 18th we will announce full specifications of this exciting milestone in the evolution of motorcycling, giving you every opportunity to become familiar with the Empulse before seeing it for the first time on May 8th.

Electric motorcycle racing is an integral part of our lives here at Brammo and our experience and championship record on the track has played a critical role in the evolution of the Empulse from concept to production. Professional racers have had a hand in the development of the Empulse and they will be sharing their Empulse riding experiences and impressions with you at the reveal on May 8th.

Follow this link and learn more about the Empulse and its roots in Brammo's racing heritage.

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by oatnet » Apr 17, 2012 4:38 pm

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Vectrix. Current status: Bankrupt in 2009 after booking more expenses per unit sold than revenues, then reborn in 2010 under new ownership? Or is it stillborn? Their press page has nothing since 2011...
Vectrix is actively selling their new lithium model, and a new smaller model I think is on the streets.
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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by oatnet » Apr 17, 2012 4:40 pm

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iShoes. Current status: Out of business, apparently, with a dead domain name.
I own a pair of these, $250 if anyone wants them!
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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by bigmoose » Apr 17, 2012 5:34 pm

Thanks Toshi! This thread speaks volumes... now what is it trying to tell us?
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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by flathill » Apr 17, 2012 5:48 pm

bigmoose wrote:Thanks Toshi! This thread speaks volumes... now what is it trying to tell us?
Batteries are still too expensive and 95% of designers suck
The world doesn't move as fast as we'd like especially the automotive industry
fuel injection was introduced 20+ years before every car on the road had it
same with disk brakes
abs
air bags
etc
money rules the world
if Tesla doesn't succeed the EV industry will be set back another 5 years
electric scooters and motorbike make much more sense than 4 wheelers given current battery tech
fast chargers and wireless charging are going to change the equation if there is standardization (big if)

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by fechter » Apr 17, 2012 7:19 pm

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An orginal Zappy, ESW death scooter, and a pair of Vego scooters circa 2003.
All had some amount of production but went under after a short time.
I call the ESW a death scooter because it was powered by an Etek motor and was a stand-up only scooter with very short wheelbase. It also had very strange steering that made tight turns very difficult without a lot of practice.
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Post by flathill » Apr 17, 2012 8:06 pm

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by TylerDurden » Apr 17, 2012 8:08 pm

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"ECD Ovonics' hydrogen hybrid has been equipped with hydrogen storage tanks using the company's proprietary solid metal hydride technology, which enables hydrogen to bond at the atomic level with a powdered metal alloy inside the tanks. This technology allows storing hydrogen at much lower pressures than the 5,000 to 10,000 psi storage tanks typically used in other hydrogen vehicle applications. The result is the ability to carry a greater volume of hydrogen on-board to provide increased driving range, in this case just under 200 miles." http://www.marketwire.com/press-release ... 687745.htm

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by flathill » Apr 17, 2012 8:14 pm

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Now they only sell drivetrains :cry:

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by flathill » Apr 17, 2012 8:21 pm

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by flathill » Apr 17, 2012 8:26 pm

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by fechter » Apr 18, 2012 1:43 pm

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Vaporware for many years now.

Another one is Eestor:
http://eestorbatteries.com/
Technological Breakthrough

If EEstor is the real thing, revelutionary energy storage is here. EEstor is a very secretive company located in Cedar Park, Tx. They claim to have invented a new ultracapacitor power system that would replace current battery technologies and hopefully turn the automobile industry on its head. Based on current claims, a three to five minute charge should give the capacitor sufficient energy to drive a small car 300 miles (480 km). Zenn Motor Company owns the rights to these batteries for the automobile industry. EEstor's batteries are supposed to be available for Zenn's electric cars in the fall of 2009.
Hmm... what year is it now? Total investor scam.
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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by fechter » Apr 19, 2012 2:28 pm

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built by The Electric Cycle Company (TECC). It is no longer manufactured as the company went out of business in 2006. Only 112 known units hand built in Van nuys,CA. Designer Ely Schless

It can reach 28 miles per hour (45 kilometres per hour) and maintains that speed for up to 30 miles (50 kilometres). It is a 36 volt system using three 12 volt batteries.
I actually rode one. Ugly but rode very nicely.
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Post by Goethe » Apr 20, 2012 7:15 am

The Volvo C30 electric is NOT vaporware!
The business case has been clear from the beginning that the car is only able for leasing. The project plan was followed and the car was released in time. All cars are now out on the streets in the hands of people who has leased a car. I'm working with Volvo's EV projects so the source is reliable..... :wink:

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Volvo C30 EV, Smart ED, Toyota/Scion iQ EV, birds of a feather. Current status: Vaporware from the consumer standpoint, with limited test runs available only for internal testing or testing in utility company fleets.

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by Toshi » Apr 20, 2012 7:24 am

Goethe wrote:The Volvo C30 electric is NOT vaporware!
The business case has been clear from the beginning that the car is only able for leasing. The project plan was followed and the car was released in time. All cars are now out on the streets in the hands of people who has leased a car. I'm working with Volvo's EV projects so the source is reliable..... :wink:
Are these lessees utility companies as I implied, or are they individual consumers?

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by Goethe » Apr 20, 2012 8:23 am

Toshi wrote:
Goethe wrote:The Volvo C30 electric is NOT vaporware!
The business case has been clear from the beginning that the car is only able for leasing. The project plan was followed and the car was released in time. All cars are now out on the streets in the hands of people who has leased a car. I'm working with Volvo's EV projects so the source is reliable..... :wink:
Are these lessees utility companies as I implied, or are they individual consumers?
AFAIK are there no individual who has leased a car. Some cars has gone to utility companies thats been involved in the project. The rest of the cars has gone to different companies that wants the enviromental profile. But whats important is that the product is carrying its costs and its out on the streets. It's no difference to a limited edition sports car! Except the performance.... :wink:

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by dnmun » Apr 20, 2012 10:33 am

i recently saw a Frito Lays deliver truck that was all electric. 2 ton cab type delivery truck. i think Lays is up to about 400 now, and they are also buying CNG powered delivery trucks and LNG long haul tractors for the freeway.

i think the ZENN is the nicest EV production vehicle, with SLA. but they went bankrupt last year too. part of eestore.

i have seen about 4 Leafs here in portland, and i rarely drive so there have to be a bunch.
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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by gogo » Apr 20, 2012 10:55 am

fechter wrote:Ecycle motors- Solid Slot
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Vaporware for many years now.
They haven't seemed to catch on commercially, but ZapPat has one.
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 03#p123303
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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by EBJ » Apr 20, 2012 1:36 pm

flathill wrote:fail
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I've seen quite a few ppl on A2B bikes,....
so how is it "failed" ?

The ones I have seen are quite awesome.... they are a blend between electric bike and moped.
(loved the wide-tires and beefy rims)

http://www.ultramotor.com/en_us/e-2-wheelers/e_scooters

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by amberwolf » Apr 23, 2012 9:33 am

EBJ wrote:I've seen quite a few ppl on A2B bikes,....
so how is it "failed" ?
Well, they went bankrupt:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =3&t=33908
That's usually a fail in most people's books. ;)

They were bought by Hero in India, so perhaps production will continue, though who knows what kind of changes to bikes or service will happen.

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by Jason27 » Apr 24, 2012 12:43 am

It's a beautiful bike. They just need to figure out how to drop the price.
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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by Toshi » May 11, 2012 10:15 am

Toshi wrote:Toyota RAV4 EV. Current status: Vaporware, although its vapors (and the associated Toyota money) are seemingly all that's keeping Tesla afloat these days.
An update on the RAV4 EV, as detailed in a thread elsewhere on this board: https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 85#p577516

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- available for outright sale in 4 Cali markets "late summer 2012"
- $49.8k MSRP (see later in the linked thread for my analysis of this price with regard to a gas RAV4)
- production run of 2600 planned over next 3 years
- 115 kW motor, 41.8 kWh (!!) of Tesla lithium, 9.6 kW Level 2 charger (!), est. 4100 lb curb weight

Not bad, Toyota... if you meet your promised "late summer" of this year ship date!

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Re: Vaporware and failed EV companies

Post by pdf » May 11, 2012 11:00 am

Toshi wrote: Aptera. Current status: Bankrupt as of December 2011.
Saw something yesterday on a news site. A consortium including a Chinese company as a major partner apparently bought the assets and is talking up re-starting the project.
http://insideevs.com/aptera-usa-lives-m ... way-group/

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