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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby Skippic » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:16 pm

Has anyone actually made this controller work in sensorless mode?

There are all types of statements, like this one:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35848&p=520563&hilit=sensorless+hua+tong#p521310

But I haven't found a thread where someone actually made it work in sensorless.
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby Gordo » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:11 pm

Skippic wrote:Has anyone actually made this controller work in sensorless mode?

There are all types of statements, like this one:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35848&p=520563&hilit=sensorless+hua+tong#p521310

But I haven't found a thread where someone actually made it work in sensorless.


I find Scotty's post confusing. I am guessing the controller he sold was capable of sensorless. I see no one claiming ANY of the Hua Tong's are sensorless.
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby wesnewell » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:35 am

The 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller is NOT a sensorless controller. Unfortunately some people are posting about other controller models in this thread.
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby PeeHell » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:35 pm

Has anyone measured the low speed % of the M2 pad ? (for the first board, the one on the thread title)
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby bobale » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:26 pm

In my case it was around 25mph on 22S.
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby XLR8 » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:11 am

Does anyone know if it is possible to modify this 72 volt controller to run on a 64 volt LiFePO ( 20s) battery or is there a controller that is a similiar price with the same attributes?
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby The Mighty Volt » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:06 am

XLR8 wrote:Does anyone know if it is possible to modify this 72 volt controller to run on a 64 volt LiFePO ( 20s) battery or is there a controller that is a similiar price with the same attributes?

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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby PeeHell » Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:27 pm

So, according to the ebikes.ca simulator, with your 9c 2807 at 22s, the "low speed" of 25mph correspond to 50% throttle. Interesting...
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby PeeHell » Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:28 pm

Has anyone successfully created a custom CA-DP plug ?
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby Skippic » Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:52 am

I've bought one and I'm very satisfied. Running at 24s no problems yet.

What I would like to change on it is the way the throttle controls it. It's like the throttle sets a speed you want to go and the controller does everything it can to go that speed.

For example if you go 50% throttle, it tries to go 25mph. If you are at 26mph it turns the motor off completely, if you are moving at 22mph it goes to full power. So say you are going 25mph constant on flat, but uneven surface. The vibrations you get from little bumps on the road jiggle your throttle a little, enough to set the desired speed +/-1mph and the motor is going from no thrust to 100% with every bump.

Therefore I would like to find on the controller what sets the PWM and control that directly: 0-10% throttle = PWM 0%, after that map 10-100% throttle to 0-100% PWM.

The million dollar question:
Where is the PWM controlling on the board?
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby hurricaniac » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:28 am

Sorry to ask a redundant question, but I'm looking to mod one of these controllers to 48v with the resistor LVC mod. DHGate no longer stocks them, and I can't tell which version alibaba or ebay offers -- who is recommended to buy from so that I can do this 48v mod?

thanks for all your trials and errors, guys...(and posting them!)
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby Gordo » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:39 am

It is really hard to guess which model you get when you order. Greentime has the original, but their shipping is much more expensive than from DHGATE. I have an extra on, just across the border from you and if you can wait until April 20, I will be in Bellingham and can ship from their. PM me if interested.
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby XLR8 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:35 am

I have just ordered a couple of 1200w 60v controllers from Greentime and they are being sent via Hong Kong post with a tracking number through Australia Post and it is costing me around $8 each for shipping.
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby Gordo » Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:20 pm

XLR8 wrote:I have just ordered a couple of 1200w 60v controllers from Greentime and they are being sent via Hong Kong post with a tracking number through Australia Post and it is costing me around $8 each for shipping.


This is great news as in the past, Greentime could not/would not use HK Post, only DHL which cost more than the price of the controller.
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby The Mighty Volt » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:46 pm

XLR8 is in Australia, so that might have something to do with the shipping being HKPOST, the geographical proximity, but I will make a general inquiry,

HKPOST is a good way to avoid the customs, from my POV at least.
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby The Mighty Volt » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:12 pm

Here's mine, inside and out, I am pretty sure its a HUA TONG of some description but that it is much older than the versions being discussed here.

IRF 1407 Mosfets, Good to around 75v and 100A or 130A depending on the spec. Does that mean Phase Amps or Battery Amps???

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I have no clue what this connection does. It has 4 wires, brown, orange, white, and blue.

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They terminate at the following pads:

Blue: Q. Orange: D. Brown: XL. White: X

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There is a single-wire PURPLE connector, it terminates at Pad: S

This is what I assume to be the regen jumper, it terminates at a jumper-pad "XS"

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Jumper-Pad XS: Image

Unknown Pad, its not connected to anything and is denoted by "1:1"

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The E-Brakes terminate at Pad: E and Pad: Ground.

Throttle terminates at Pad T, T- and T+. Red goes to T+, Black to T- and Grey to T.

LED's

There are two LED's, one Red and one Green.

LED1, Red

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LED2, Green

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This is, potentially, the most exciting bit. Its what looks to be a 5 Pin connector, hopefully for programming.

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I tried to get a photo of the main chipset, but its covered in some sort of a film or scum.

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For some reason, there is some sort of a capacitor or something wired into the trace. I would be grateful for any information on this.

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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby whereswally606 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:03 pm

wesnewell wrote:It lives!!!!
All I needed to do was swap the Y and G phase and hall wires. Runs great and fast even on 19s. Can't tell how fast as I don't have a speedometer on this bike. So for ~$37 shipped, and a little work, I've got a decent 72V controller. Next phase of testing is to go to 23s and test the cruise control. Hope to get this done today.


I had exactly the same issue with my controller today, swapped the y and g phase and halls, good god this goes. woop woop.

got cruise control and pad x wired to my brakes. still needs better braking. but thanks again this thread is priceless
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby cwah » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:41 pm

I received the controller recently, here is the cables:
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I'm looking for regen. Haven't found the plug for it.

Is it the one I pointed in green?
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby wesnewell » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:49 pm

Regen (pad X on pc board) was not brought out on either of the ones I bought. I cut the alarm connectors off and moved the wires inside to get whatever I wanted. The single light orange/brown wire was cruise control on both of mine. Installed a momentary button to ground for it. Ran regen through ebrake lever switches to ground for regen.
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby cwah » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:55 pm

Not sure to understand, do you mean there is no regen on my controller?
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby caleb » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:38 pm

wesnewell wrote:Regen (pad X on pc board) was not brought out on either of the ones I bought. I cut the alarm connectors off and moved the wires inside to get whatever I wanted. The single light orange/brown wire was cruise control on both of mine. Installed a momentary button to ground for it. Ran regen through ebrake lever switches to ground for regen.


I see you are using the controller on the yescom 48v1000w. That is the motor I have and I tried it with Hua Tong with 18s Lipo and the wheel just stutters, never starts spinning...what mod did you do to make it work properly? I saw the mod to make it work at 50 volts, but am now just thinking to wire my battery for 72 volts if I can get the controller to drive the motor correctly.

thanks!
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby wesnewell » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:20 am

cwah wrote:Not sure to understand, do you mean there is no regen on my controller?

No, I mean you have to wire it up. Regen works fine on the 2 I have using 18s lipo.. So does cruise control, and speed limiting switch. And if you want a strong ebrake, so does brake-hi. Regen and brake-hi only work up to about 78V. Go over that and it doesn't work.
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby wesnewell » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:31 am

caleb wrote:I see you are using the controller on the yescom 48v1000w. That is the motor I have and I tried it with Hua Tong with 18s Lipo and the wheel just stutters, never starts spinning...what mod did you do to make it work properly? I saw the mod to make it work at 50 volts, but am now just thinking to wire my battery for 72 volts if I can get the controller to drive the motor correctly.

thanks!

Hooked up phase and hall wires like this.
Controller: Motor:
HALL:
Yellow Green
Green Yellow
Blue Blue

PHASE:
Yellow Green
Green Yellow
Blue Blue
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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby cwah » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:16 am

wesnewell wrote:
cwah wrote:Not sure to understand, do you mean there is no regen on my controller?

No, I mean you have to wire it up. Regen works fine on the 2 I have using 18s lipo.. So does cruise control, and speed limiting switch. And if you want a strong ebrake, so does brake-hi. Regen and brake-hi only work up to about 78V. Go over that and it doesn't work.


So brake-hi and regen belong to the same white plug? If I plug brake hi, then regen works at the same time?

I've read the ability to use regen via a throttle or a push button. any idea how I can do that?

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Re: 72v 1500W 40A Hua Tong CA08 XM06AD_P04.1 controller

Postby wesnewell » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:28 am

cwah wrote:So brake-hi and regen belong to the same white plug? If I plug brake hi, then regen works at the same time?

I've read the ability to use regen via a throttle or a push button. any idea how I can do that?

Thanks for this invaluable help :)

No. brake-hi and regen are two separate features and afaik can not be used at the same time. If you want to use a push button regen, wire the button from pad x to ground through it. Not sure if auto regen (anytime you release the throttle) is available. For power braking, wire the brake-hi white wire to positive battery voltage as I recall.
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