Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby amberwolf » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:55 am

Regarding disc vs rim, on CrazyBike2's front Suntour low-end steel fork with 26" aluminum-rim wheel, I currently have "YUS" brand crappy calipers with unknown brand 180mm rotor, and Avid single-digit-5 rim brake arms (with OEM pads), with old Shimano Vbrake levers for both (but have tried several levers for the disc, with only worse results).

Of the two, the rim brakes work far better and adjust more correctly more easily than the disc, which often can't even stay adjusted to not rub the rotor and whine for more than a few minutes of riding and a couple of stops, from 15-20MPH (stopping a 300lbs-ish total mass).

The disc brakes work pretty well for a stop or two, or at least did when I first installed them, but even after very low mileage on them they began to slip, squeal, whine, not grab well, etc. No amount of adjusting them fixes them for more than a couple of stops at best, and sometimes not even for a single complete stop.

The rim brakes also have far better sensitivity and range of braking than the disc, which are almost on/off once adjustment fails.

Stopping hard (enough to skid the wheel normally) will not even lockup the wheel with the disc now, though I can do that with the rim brakes if I adjust them close enough--I don't like them adjusted to be able to skid the wheel, though, as that's essentially loss of steering control once you do, so I adjust them so that even a panic squeeze can't lockup the front wheel. (though the bike law here requires you to have brakes that can cause the wheels to skid on dry pavement; actually having them adjusted that way doesnt' usally help you stop safely, so I don't).


I have also used the same rim brakes on a crappy noname steel fork, which flexed a lot and gave very poor braking (allowed lowers to twist at the bosses, I guess?). Didnt' try the disc on them as there was no caliper mount and rotor wouldn't've cleared the lowers anyway.


So...as long as your fork is made well enough, decent rim brakes will probably outperform crappy disc brakes by a lot. :)
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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby Cyclebutt » Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:21 pm

Thanks for all the good advice, guys. As usual, my decision is based upon cost and advise. A friend let me try some used stuff, both mechanical and hydraulic. I know the hydraulic brakes are superior but after messing with the used one's I decided to pass. I have one functioning mechanical front disc now but had to use spacers and such to get it all adjusted. As I still have to come up with a cassette, derailleur and a few odds and ends, the bike is not going to be ridden any time soon.

I'm going with the BB7's for now. Won't get them until September but by then they'll fit my budget (I hope) and should be good enough for my current style of riding. Thanks again for all your help!
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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby Drunkskunk » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:42 pm

Since your budget is tight, try Ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avid-BB-7-front-and-rear-disc-brake-set-/230840396021?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35bf28e8f5

I found a cheap set in my Local bike shop once, take offs from some customer that wanted Hydros.
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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby Chalo » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:42 am

Cyclebutt wrote:I'm going with the BB7's for now. Won't get them until September but by then they'll fit my budget (I hope) and should be good enough for my current style of riding. Thanks again for all your help!


Man, if money is that tight, you are way better off with a set of sub-$20 V-brakes. Unless you have your heart set on some fool-assed bike that doesn't accommodate them.

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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby Cyclebutt » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:13 am

Chalo, wow! Harsh, dude. Guess you lost the thread of the thread. Yeah, I HAVE a "fool-ass" bike that is disc ONLY. It is incomplete, but I really like the RST Deuce forks. Anyhow, I haven't totally discounted Promax or Auriga yet, but the BB7's are looking like a go right now. The BIG money will be spent on a 20 AHr LiPo pack, thus budget.

In my younger years I spent most of my money on women and booze, and squandered the rest. HA! Now, every dollar has a destination. Keep your money on your mind and your mind on your money, my friend.

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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby Cyclebutt » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:39 am

BB7's are mounted and I now have a 48v,20 aHr pack waiting to be drained. Will report on brake performance as experienced. Raining now...
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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby cal3thousand » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:31 pm

Cyclebutt wrote:BB7's are mounted and I now have a 48v,20 aHr pack waiting to be drained. Will report on brake performance as experienced. Raining now...


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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby Cyclebutt » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:17 pm

Testing begins tomorrow.
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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby Drunkskunk » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:25 pm

Good looking bike. So how did they do?
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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby Cyclebutt » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:29 pm

Thirty miles and no complaints. Had some front brake squeal at first but as these brakes are self centering, I let it go. After a few miles they settled in to being quiet. After I finish my chain ring chain guide, I'll convert this single speed (that's the way I got it) to a seven speed. Then it's time for the trails!
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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby Chalo » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:28 pm

Cyclebutt wrote:Thirty miles and no complaints. Had some front brake squeal at first but as these brakes are self centering, I let it go. After a few miles they settled in to being quiet.


The rotors of bicycle disc brakes are designed to flex into agreement with their calipers, but there still should be no rubbing when the brake is not engaged. There is gross adjustment in the caliper mounting bolts and adapter, and there is fine adjustment in the back side of the caliper and in the cable tension (for the front side of the caliper). There should be a very thin but visible gap on both sides of the rotor when the brake is correctly adjusted.
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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby Cyclebutt » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:54 am

Only 170 miles. Brakes are unbelievable. They work better than anything (side/center/V, et. al.) I've ever had. I really can't imagine why anyone would want to go hydraulic when you can get these mechanical calipers (with rotors) off ebay, for under $80. Avid BB7's have my full endorsement. Possibly the most cost effective quality disc brake calipers on the market, and I'm only using the small discs!

I've only been 170 miles because I'm having issues with the GNG mid drive system on my F5.
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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby Chalo » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:09 pm

Cyclebutt wrote:I really can't imagine why anyone would want to go hydraulic when you can get these mechanical calipers (with rotors) off ebay, for under $80. Avid BB7's have my full endorsement. Possibly the most cost effective quality disc brake calipers on the market, and I'm only using the small discs!


Keep the rotors clean and straight, and you'll be happy with them for a long time. BB7s are just about the only disc brakes that are worth the money, in my opinion. Hydraulics don't do anything BB7s don't do, except impose exotic maintenance routines and fail completely when anything goes wrong.
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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby teklektik » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:11 pm

Cyclebutt wrote: Brakes are unbelievable. ... Avid BB7's have my full endorsement. Possibly the most cost effective quality disc brake calipers on the market, and I'm only using the small discs!

After all the posturing and specsmanship are over, for me the main criteria for good equipment is if you can stop thinking about it. BB7's just work - first time, every time, with no fiddling. They let you think about the ride.... :)
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Re: Disc brake caliper options, for 160mm rotors.

Postby sjacome » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:19 pm

if u think bb7 are the sweet spot ur wrong cause uve never used decent hidraulics. had bb7 on my bike and upgraded to shimano slx brakes with ashima rotors, didnt crash my budget and the feeling and braking power are amazing.

other downside of the rim brakes mentioned earlyer are if u crash and untrue the rim, u wont brake.

advice, check and maintaing the brake cables properly. enjoy ur rides.
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