MeanWell Mods - S-350-48

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MeanWell Mods - S-350-48

Postby DrkAngel » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:49 pm

MeanWell S-350-48

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Specs:

Mean Well S-350-48
350w max continuous output
48V - adjustable from 41V - 56V
7.3A max continuous output@48V -
48V x 7.3A = 350W
Thermal regulated fan
http://www.meanwell.com/search/S-350/default.htm]Factory Specs

Problem:

Rated at 7.3A, but will surge-sustain much higher, burning components

Solution:

Restrict the amp output -
The "R33" resister is the key to regulating amperage.

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For testing purposes, I soldered 2 wires of a 2s balance plug to the ends of the R33 resister.
Then plugged a multi-turn 2K Pot (potentiometer) into the balance connector.
Then I lowered the voltage to minimum and applied "load".
Removing and measuring the pot's ohms at each 1/2 amp mark.
(Pot must be removed to measure! "In circuit" it is laid parallel with R33.)

Restricting Current (Amps):

9.1A = (OEM resister only) .350K = 350ohm
7.9A = 2.000K = 2000 ohm
7.5A = 1.432K = 1432 ohm
7.3A = 1.200K = 1200 ohm
7.0A = 1.000K = 1000 ohm
6.5A = .775K = 775 ohm
6.0A = .580K = 580 ohm
5.5A = .458K = 458 ohm
5.0A = .368K = 368 ohm
4.5A = .288K = 288 ohm
4.0A = .225K = 225 ohm
3.5A = .180K = 180 ohm
3.0A = .132K = 132 ohm
2.5A = .098K = 98 ohm
2.0A = .065K = 65 ohm
1.5A = .038K = 38 ohm
1.0A = .013K = 13 ohm

Wider Amp adjustment:

Disconnect, or remove R33.
Replace with adjustable "pot"

Amps ........ Ohms
1A ... from ... ? ohms
2A ... from ... ? ohms
3A ... from ... ? ohms
4A ... from ... ? ohms
5A ... from ... ? ohms
6A ... from ... ? ohms
7A ... from ... ? ohms
8A ... from ... ? ohms
9.1A ... from ... 350 ohms
10A .. from .. ? ohms
11A .. from .. ? ohms
12A .. from .. ? ohms
13A .. from .. ? ohms
14A .. from .. ? ohms
15A .. from .. ? ohms
16A .. from .. ? ohms
17A .. from .. ? ohms
18A .. from .. ? ohms
19A .. from .. ? ohms
20A .. from .. ? ohms
etc.

Need lower voltage high drain rig to determine higher amps.

Not precise ... used analog amp meter.

Widening the voltage range:

By changing the value of the Voltage pot, I was able to lower the output range substantially.

1K = 38.3 - 56.7V (oem)
2K = 29.8 - 56.7V
5K = ? - 56.7V (<20V - 56.7V estimated)
10K = ? - 56.7V
20K = ? - 56.7V
100K = ? - 56.7V

As I will demonstrate later, there can be great advantages to lower voltages.


Note! The higher value pots (100K etc) only allow a very "coarse" adjustment at the high voltage end. Harder to fine adjust.
Lowering Voltage

Lowering voltage could take advantage of higher amperage.
Without removing components, amperage is regulated below 9.1Amps.
R33 has a measured resistance of ~350ohms.


Component View

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Raising Voltage?

Not tested ... or recommended!
This model has 63V caps ... a fairly strict limitation!

350 Watt!

To be safe and effective, amperage should be adjusted as voltage is altered.
Volts x Amps = Watts
Watts should equal, or be slightly below, 350 watts.


56V x 6.25A = 350w
55V x 6.36A = 350w
54V x 6.48A = 350w
53V x 6.60A = 350w
52V x 6.73A = 350w
51V x 6.86A = 350w
50V x 7.00A = 350w
49V x 7.14A = 350w
48V x 7.30A = 350W
47V x 7.44A = 350w
46V x 7.60A = 350w
45V x 7.77A = 350w
44V x 7.95A = 350w
43V x 8.13A = 350w
42V x 8.33A = 350w
41V x 8.53A = 350w
40V x 8.75A = 350w
39V x 8.97A = 350w
38V x 9.21A = 350w
37V x 9.45A = 350w
36V x 9.72A = 350w
35V x 10.00A = 350w
34V x 10.29A = 350w
33V x 10.60A = 350w
32V x 10.93A = 350w
31V x 11.29A = 350w
30V x 11.66A = 350w
29V x 12.06A = 350w
28V x 12.5A = 350w
27V x 12.96A = 350w
26V x 13.46A = 350w
25V x 14.00A = 350w
24V x 14.58A = 350w
23V x 15.21A = 350w
20V x 17.50A = 350w
15V x 23.33A = 350w
10V x 35.00A = 350w
5V x 70.00A = 350w

Yeah ... I'm gonna try pushing everything to the limits ... and then a little further!

(Will test to confirm)
In Series

"In series" is when the negative of one power supply is run through the positive of another - combining their voltages.

Important!

When run in "series" the DC "negative" must be isolated from the 110AC negative ... on all but the primary unit!. Otherwise, the DC positive from the primary unit will "short" through the AC negative on the secondary unit.

The negatives are usually connected through the "ground".
Not confirmed yet!!!
It appears the S-350 series is ready for "in series" with no mods!
Not confirmed yet!!!

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Re: MeanWell Mods S-350-48

Postby DrkAngel » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:43 pm

I finally built my 33.3V 43.2Ah (9s20p) LiPo battery pack and needed a charger.
I had planned to VET the S-350-48 and finally had a good reason.
Filled in all mod info except increasing Amps.
Though I did spec out the Amp regulation mods, my pack will be perfect with the oem Amp limit.

I intend on charging to 4.05V = 36.45V and (4.15V = 37.35V for trips).
350w / 36.45V = 9.6A ... 9.1A oem limit will work nicely with an extra safety buffer.
(350w / 37.35V = 9.37A)

Fan Mod
There is a fan mod posted, by shorting across some points ...
I just cut the neg fan wire and ran it to the DC neg ... works fine!
Charging 42Ah battery at 9.1A, I will want the fan to run constantly!
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Re: MeanWell Mods S-350-48

Postby 2007blueprius » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:07 pm

how did you go about figuring out all these mods, are you that smart? had schematics? I tried the same with pc PS had some success modding one to adjust voltage no Idea how to go about amps, thou that does not seem to be much of an issue , just curious, I look up to you and what you have done quite a bit. Always been a fan of the underdog, any daddys idiot can throw money or borow and default on payments at brand new plug and play stuff that may not even compare to your cheap setups, and that I think it's the beauty of what you are doing, my grandpa used to call it: " making a whip out of horseshit " and it snaps too.
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Re: MeanWell Mods S-350-48

Postby DrkAngel » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:11 pm

2007blueprius wrote:how did you go about figuring out all these mods, are you that smart? had schematics? I tried the same with pc PS had some success modding one to adjust voltage no Idea how to go about amps, thou that does not seem to be much of an issue , just curious, I look up to you and what you have done quite a bit. Always been a fan of the underdog, any daddys idiot can throw money or borow and default on payments at brand new plug and play stuff that may not even compare to your cheap setups, and that I think it's the beauty of what you are doing, my grandpa used to call it: " making a whip out of horseshit " and it snaps too.

To a large extent, I expound upon the work of others.
I hunt and investigate info on certain quality-useful-moddable, readily available items.
Then, using basic methods, I investigate, test, mod, document ...
I would rate myself as intelligent, blessed-cursed with an ingenuity which might be partly attributable to a degree of dyslexia, I see things differently than most people.
I am very much a system rather than a component thinker.
I amass a horrific amount of info then process it, almost subconsciously at times, when needed.

Most importantly, I try to provide clear and complete info-instructions.
I will add current regulation mods as well as pictures.
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Re: MeanWell Mods - S-350-48

Postby Thud » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:22 pm

Expounding from this thread is kinda easy
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4125
I think there is another word for it to...... :mrgreen:

Kingfish has another model mod thread....with good info in it.....i never book marked that one though.

These are fantastic to control amperage without getting int serious mods & work with the newer PS's that go into hicup mode when over burdened
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=36958
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get some......

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Re: MeanWell Mods - S-350-48

Postby DrkAngel » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:42 pm

Added S-350-48 to MeanWell Mods in Endless Sphere Wiki
I am concentrating on the "S Series".
S-150-24 is complete, S-150-15 and S-150-5 are largely complete.
S-350-48 is complete except for increasing Amp limit.
And have begun S-350-24.
Still have some S-320-xx to test

The S (Standard) Series is an older "simpler" version MeanWell that lends itself to simple mods.
Later models added features and redundancies that make "simple" mods ... "difficult"?
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Re: MeanWell Mods - S-350-48

Postby DrkAngel » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:17 am

Oh ... Fun?
Bid low on a "New" MeanWell S-320-5 ... and won ...
4.5-5.7V 50A! ... What could anyone ever use that for?

Run in series, it could properly current regulate an HP ESP120 (51.4V 57A) switching power supply as a 50A charger for a 48V large battery pack.

48.1V 13s x 4.2V = 54.6 (51.4V + 3.2V = 54.6V)


5.7V from the MeanWell is preferable. (5.7V x 50A = 285w)
(13s x 3.7V = 48.1V and 48.1V is lower than 51.4V from the ESP120,
and MeanWell would perform no regulation,
54.6V - 5.7V = 48.9V which is still more than 48.1V but the .8V voltage differential ("pressure") should draw less than 50A! ... ?)

I will have to implement voltage mods on the ESP120 but I have leads-clues on how to accomplish them.

If successful, and to what voltage modable, might work nicely with a 44.4V 12s x 4.2V = 50.4V?
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Re: MeanWell Mods - S-350-48

Postby Arlo1 » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:23 pm

OK Im going to jump on board. I have about 10 blown MW 350w 48v supplies. All have q1 and q2 blown. So here is my suggestion lets find a better transistor is it as simple as selecting a higher amp rated transistor? http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en ... -ND/810925 This one is 24 amps which is 9 amps more then the old one or 60% more so would someone be able to run 60% more amperage out of the unit? Even If I could mod it to run ~9-10 amps reliably it would be fine. What do you guys think?
I have good luck up to 8 amps with a 48v supply but past that and they pop. Not to mention I order the cheep ones from ebay so I bet the 2sc3320 is cheep and might even be knock offs of something making them less reliable.
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Re: MeanWell Mods - S-350-48

Postby DrkAngel » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:55 pm

Arlo1 wrote:OK Im going to jump on board. I have about 10 blown MW 350w 48v supplies. All have q1 and q2 blown. ...
I have good luck up to 8 amps with a 48v supply but past that and they pop.

48V x 8 amps = 384w
Which is 10% beyond rated capacity.
If used as a Li-ion 13s charger, the ...
54.6 x 8 amps = 436.8w or 25% beyond rated.
These power supplies are not designed for these outputs.

Since the transistors are rated for above 8 amp, then better cooling should be more effective than higher rated transistors.
Most effective would be to limit wattage to 350w, by limiting amperage.
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Re: MeanWell Mods - S-350-48

Postby dnmun » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:43 am

Arlo1 wrote:OK Im going to jump on board. I have about 10 blown MW 350w 48v supplies. All have q1 and q2 blown. So here is my suggestion lets find a better transistor is it as simple as selecting a higher amp rated transistor? http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en ... -ND/810925 This one is 24 amps which is 9 amps more then the old one or 60% more so would someone be able to run 60% more amperage out of the unit? Even If I could mod it to run ~9-10 amps reliably it would be fine. What do you guys think?
I have good luck up to 8 amps with a 48v supply but past that and they pop. Not to mention I order the cheep ones from ebay so I bet the 2sc3320 is cheep and might even be knock offs of something making them less reliable.


i am not following this but the big high voltage switching transistors are on the front end so output voltage is not the issue imo. you may be limited in the current you can switch by the saturation of the transformer so a larger transistor may not help. just guessing.
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Re: MeanWell Mods - S-350-48

Postby Arlo1 » Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:49 pm

dnmun wrote:
Arlo1 wrote:OK Im going to jump on board. I have about 10 blown MW 350w 48v supplies. All have q1 and q2 blown. So here is my suggestion lets find a better transistor is it as simple as selecting a higher amp rated transistor? http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en ... -ND/810925 This one is 24 amps which is 9 amps more then the old one or 60% more so would someone be able to run 60% more amperage out of the unit? Even If I could mod it to run ~9-10 amps reliably it would be fine. What do you guys think?
I have good luck up to 8 amps with a 48v supply but past that and they pop. Not to mention I order the cheep ones from ebay so I bet the 2sc3320 is cheep and might even be knock offs of something making them less reliable.


i am not following this but the big high voltage switching transistors are on the front end so output voltage is not the issue imo. you may be limited in the current you can switch by the saturation of the transformer so a larger transistor may not help. just guessing.

I was just thinking all my MWs that have died had those transistors pop and it was always over current so....
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Re: MeanWell Mods - S-350-48

Postby Arlo1 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:09 am

Ok so I got a 36v MW repaired. Had Q1 and Q2 blown and that was it. I tried 3 others so far and one makes noise from T1 and it changes if I push on the plastic. It makes 32v and does not adjust with the pot I belive its a 48v MW so something is not right maybe even T1 it self.
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Re: MeanWell Mods - S-350-48

Postby Arlo1 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:45 pm

I changed out T1 and it will slowly climb to 52volts when the pot it cranked but if I put any load on it the voltage drops off to almost nothing.... Anyone have any ideas? This is a 350w MW most likely a knock off.
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Finished http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRo8r5g4NBg
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Re: MeanWell Mods - S-350-48

Postby DrkAngel » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:42 am

Finally took some quality pictures:

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1000w ≤84V Bulk Charger

Postby DrkAngel » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:28 am

Easy (1000w) ≤84V 12.5A charger
63V @ ~16.5A
37.8V+ @ ≥18.2A

2 - MeanWell, or any generic, 350-48 ~7.3A 40-56V switching power supplies
+
1 available and easily modifiable
MeanWell S-350-24 ~14.6A 20-29V
=
16.5-12.5A (adjustable) 60-85V (adjustable) bulk charger! (w/current mod) - For 15s - 20s Li-ion = Lipo
(Oops! :cry: will try to finish S-350-24 current mod values.)

+18-12.5A 9s - 20s w/voltage mod on all units - very easy!
(Replace 1k voltage pots with 2k-5k - both units)

Warning!
Check for voltage "isolation"!
Build array without ground wire to 2nd or 3rd components.
Do not let components touch each other.
Check between units to confirm electrically isolated, casing to casing, (0V reading)
Using a line with small fuse, test-connect ground to 2nd unit etc.


Cheap - easy (470-500w) ≤84V 5.5A charger
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