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Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by GCinDC » Jun 30, 2014 8:04 am

***Placeholder - This first page will be routinely updated - Be patient***
Sales Info - Go here: The most advanced Adaptto Mini-E Controller + BMS
THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR WHINING AND MOANING ABOUT BUYING/ORDERING ONE! USE THE FOR SALE THREAD FOR THAT.

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Unofficial English User Guide - July 10, 2014 (PDF)
- FYI: Original Official Russian User's Guide

Quick Start Guide (below)

BMS Setup (below)

Advanced Menu Settings
- Tour of Menu (v RC9b)
- Quick Menu Reference

Firmware Upgrade (below)

Modifications
- Waterproofing the end cap (page 2)

Errors/Troubleshooting

Russian Forum Links

Build Threads
spinningmagnets wrote:So far, an ES users index would be:

GCinDC (USA) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=36375
Xenodius (USA) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 25#p869670
Xenodius (2) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 75#p906067
ridethelightning (Taz, Australia) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 00#p878181
Axle (USA) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 44#p880433
Madin88 (Austria) http://www.electricbike.com/martin-cromotor/
upek (Poland) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 50#p887018
Allex (Sweden) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =6&t=62650
Ohbse (New Zealand) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 00#p891802
Offroader (Australia?) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 75#p890972
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wingsuit (Canada) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 00#p908581
Hugechainring (?) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 50#p910407
Mammalian04 (Texas, USA) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 50#p911420
jut (?) https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... 30&t=61484
dexteria (no thread yet)
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

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Excerpt from: Unofficial English User Guide (translated from Russian version):
1.0 - Quick Start

Warnings!
• Motor or regenerative braking can not be used as the primary method of braking. Installation of standard brakes that ensure emergency stops is mandatory.
• Controller must not be operated without using over-current protection. Protection can be a fuse or circuit breaker. Fuse or circuit breaker must trip when peak current exceeds 250A for MINI-E and 400A for MAX-E. Note that the peak current is higher than the rated current. For example, a setup with a 65A rated current was treated with a peak current of about 200A.
• Controller is built to environmental protection standard IP54. This means that the controller can tolerate splashing water. Nevertheless bear in mind that when driving in the rain at high speed, water (for example, from the wheels) and drips at high speeds acts like a pressurized water stream, more than a splash. Therefore, do not operate the controller without additional protection when driving in rain or through puddles.
• Input voltage to the controller above 98VDC is prohibited. If you want more power (more than 70 amps of phase-current), do not use a battery that is more than 90VDC.
• Recommended battery voltage for maximum power is 85VDC.

1.1.1 - Key capabilities of the controller
• Three fully customizable power profiles including Regenerative braking
• Built-in power meter with a variety of information displayed
• Integration with optional BMS, and/or a second controller, and digital throttle
• DC-DC converter and USB connectivity to most smartphones
• Settings for throttle linearity and progression for smooth power
• Ability to connect virtually any source in DC Charging mode
• Capability to use the controller as a DC power supply
• Security- lock controller using a password
• Ability to program the required distance to go and power to use for a given trip. The controller will automatically limit the power and maximum speed as necessary to reach your destination.
• Display the voltage of each battery cell or parallel bank connected to the optional Adaptto BMS
• Ability to continue to operate with a faulty Hall sensor in motor

1.1.2 - Package Contents
Controller unit 1 piece
Display module 1 piece
Operators guide 1 piece
Installation kit 1 piece

Contact connector XT150 Female, 2 pcs
Contact Connector XT150 Male, 3 pcs
Insulator connector XT150 Female, black, 1 pc
Insulator connector XT150 Female, red, 1 pc
Insulator connector XT150 Male, blue, 3 pcs

Miniature connector for the throttle cable and brake switches to the Display Module 1pc
Thermocouple 1pc
Jack for Hall sensors 1 pc
Fastening clamps, Display Module 2 pcs
Display long mounting screws 2 pcs
Display short mounting screws 2 pcs
Display mounting nuts 4 pcs
Hex wrench 1 pc

1.1.3 - Connections
Display Connection
Connect the long cable with the 4 pin blue connector to the display according to the connection diagram

Throttle and Brake Connections
To work correctly you need to solder the throttle cable conductors to the corresponding wire mating connector (see table below). To use regenerative braking connect the brake handle sensors. In the case of using a brake handle button (switch) instead of Hall sensor, connect one switch contact to the brake sensor output, second to +5 V.
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Fig. 1.2: Throttle cable connector pinout

System Connections - Figure 1.1
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Connecting Motor Hall Sensors
Solder motor Hall sensor wires to the connector pins according to the table. Traditionally IME motors use standard color-coded wires as shown below. However there are motors with different color markings. Match circuits as shown in the table. Incorrect wiring can damage the Hall sensors.
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Phase Conductors Connection
Install 3 blue XT150 male insulators on the motor phase conductors and solder three XT150 male pins to the phase conductors. Connect them to the blue XT150 connectors on the controller. Any combination is OK. No matching is required.

Power Connection
Solder the black XT150 female connector to negative battery lead, and the red XT150 female connector to battery positive. We strongly recommend using a current limiting device in the power supply circuit. For MINI-E it is recommended to install one fuse or circuit breaker at the peak (not continuous) current rating. For the MAX-E is advisable to install two parallel overcurrent devices.
Example: to provide 400A peak current protection, install (2) 200A fast acting fuses in parallel.

Connecting the charger to the controller
Connect the charger to the controller as shown in Figure 1.1
Connect the black connector of the charging coil to the controller black wire.
Connect the red connector of the charging coil by splicing the red wire to any phase conductor. The controller phase wires must stay connected to the motor. Connect the charger/power supply to the supplied XT90 connector, being careful of the polarity.
Connect the charger to the mains power when ready to start charging.

Instructions for configuring the controller when charging is in Section 3.3.6

Important! When a charger is connected, do not press the throttle and (or) the brakes. This may result in equipment damage.

1.1.4 Quick Setup
After connecting the battery you will see the main screen. In order to get to the main menu you have to press the “Down” button. If you have activated the quick menu and press "Down" again, you will access the main menu (Screen 1.4)
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Fig. 1.4: Main menu

First, make sure that the correct settings for upper cutoff and lower cutoff voltages are shown on the display for your battery. They are in the BMS Setup 3.5 If BMS is installed, proceed with BMS Setup using the down button and press the Right button to enter the menu.

Set lower threshold (discharge) voltage cutoff and the upper threshold high voltage cutoff in accordance with the minimum and maximum voltage of your battery. In order for regenerative braking function to work with a fully charged battery, upper threshold voltage can be set slightly higher. Controller Setup menu 3.3.1 is necessary to configure the following settings:

Speed Coefficient <Speed Ratio> to match your motor/ rim/ tire combination.

This value is given in millimeters per electrical revolution. To calculate the required value must be the circumference of the wheel assembly divided by the number of pole-pairs in your motor.

For most direct-drive motors the number of pole-pairs is equal to 23. If possible, verify the data for your motor. For example, for a 9 Continent motor, 24" rim with a 2.5” tire the value will be 1965mm/23 = 85.4mm

The next step is to perform the Autodetect procedure. See Section 3.3.2
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Fig. 1.5: The Setup Menu

Danger! The wheel must be securely raised off the ground and free to rotate during auto-detection!!!

Select <Autodetect> (autodetect) menu by pressing the "Right” button, then slowly open the throttle control to the maximum position. Be careful, the wheel can rotate in the opposite direction, causing rotation of the crankset and pedals. If you noticed that the wheel begins to spin in the opposite direction, immediately release the throttle. Change the direction of rotation option <Direction> (direction) and repeat the Autodetect procedure.

The full auto detection cycle takes 2-3 minutes. The wheel will rotate slowly at first (about 2/3 of the cycle) and then quickly the rest of the time. Please remember: In order to Autodetect the correct timing angles, the wheel must rotae freely during the entire cycle.

If Autodetection is successful, you will see the message <Successful>.
This means that auto detection is completed and you can let go of the throttle.
If an error message is displayed:

• <Interrupted By thr> (interrupted throttle) indicates the throttle was released before the auto-detection cycle was completed.
• <Halls Error> problem with the Hall sensors
• <Interrupted By key> if you press any button during the cycle
• <Unknown error> other errors.
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Fig. 1.6 Profiler

Set the current limit profiles using the menu
<POWER MODE PROFILES> 3.2 (Found in the main menu):

• Ib A - battery current limit in amps
• Ip A - phase current limit in amps
• Ipr A - regenerative braking phase current limit in amps
• Skph - maximum speed limit in kmh or mph.
Note: Speed Units are set in the menu item <INTERFACE>3.4
• Acc - acceleration limiting. This dimension is an abstract value. Increasing the number increases the acceleration.

Installing Adaptto BMS 3.5 (Battery Monitoring System)
Even if the Adaptto BMS module is not connected (or disabled), you need to set the battery capacity and the lower and upper voltage cutoff limits.

You should specify the capacity of the battery in amp-hours and watt-hours for the correct operation of the power meter. These values can be changed automatically during a full discharge cycle.

Setting regenerative braking 3.3.5
When using the brake lever with a Hall sensor it is sufficient to specify the maximum battery voltage and maximum battery inrush current during regenerative braking.
Brake handle signal can be inverted <Inversion> if required.
When using reed switches, enabling the soft-start recovery <Smooth> option is recommended. This will reduce stress on the dropouts.

Calibration of throttle / brake controls
Calibration of controls is in the menu: Controller setup-> Calibration> <Thr Limits> 3.3.4
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Fig. 1.7: Calibration

After setting the throttle limits, configure the linearity of the throttle (optional <Thr linear>), especially if you are using a Hall sensor type throttle control.

When you select this option, twist the throttle control fully 4 times, one after the other as uniformly as possible for 2-3 seconds each time. Cycles longer than 3 seconds or shorter than 2 seconds will be ignored. After each successful motion you will see the curve of the signal output of your throttle.
After the 4th time calibration is complete and the throttle control will work linearly.

If you require a progressive type throttle, change the value in
<thr progr.> from 0 to 1-3 to suit your needs.

After calibration of the throttle select <Brk limits>. Calibration of the brake sensor/switch is similar to the throttle limits procedure.

Congratulations, your controller is ready to use!
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

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BMS Setup
from here
jeka of russion forum wrote:Basic set of BMS consists of a board on which is the main board and seven expansion cards, three of which are broken off.
Each expansion card serves up to 4 cells. That is, if you need a battery BMS 16S, then you need 4 expansion card. If 17S - then you need to have five expansion cards.

BMS cell balancing is engaged and transmits a voltage controller. BMS is powered by the controller, so it balances only when the controller is turned on.

The controller, based on the stresses obtained from the BMS, controls the charging and discharging of the battery. BMS does not have the power section and did not not turn.

How to configure the BMS.

1. Connect the BMS controller
2. Connect the battery to the expansion cards BMS according to the chart
(Chart at the bottom of the message)

3. Perform configuration settings BMS
To do this, go to the configuration menu BMS:

Menu -> BMS setup -> BMS enable = set to "YES".
Next, enter the Menu -> BMS setup -> BMS setup. There made all the settings BMS.

Each expansion card should have your number. The new BMS expansion cards are numbered in order and are numbered from 1 to 7.
In the configuration of BMS (Channel A config) must specify how many cells which extension serves. The extension module may be either off (0 cells), or 2,3 or 4 to interrogate the cell.
Poll 1 cell expansion module can not. So if you have the last expansion module accounts for one cell, then the penultimate board takes another cell and 3-cell configuration is obtained on the second board and 2 on the latter.

4. Perform battery type setting
In the menu "Cell V config" set the battery type (lipo, life). When choosing the type of batteries are inserted typical charge-discharge voltage-balancing. If necessary, you can change these naprzheniya.

5. Testing the BMS and voltage monitoring.
Voltage can be seen in the form of numbers and graphics.
When you connect schedule stress becomes available when "right" from the main screen.
To view stresses in figures need to go to Menu -> BMS setup -> BMS setup -> Battery monitor
Arrows to move between the expansion card (left-right) and channels (up and down).

6. Cell V calibration allows adjustments to independently carry out a more accurate measurement of expansion cards. Usually this is not necessary since in the manufacture of each module is calibrated.
To adjust, you must have an accurate voltmeter.

7. BMS status
Displays the current status of the battery (discharged, charged, balanced, etc.)

8. Cell board config
Allows you to change the address of the expansion card.
To change the address you need to connect to the channel A only one expansion card (all other expansion cards enough to disconnect, that the battery be disconnected from them).
Then you can change the address of the connected expansion cards by following the prompts on the screen.

BMS has two channels: channel A (channel which is connected to all the expansion cards BMS), and the channel B, outputted to the contact pad.
Optional expansion cards can connect to both channel A, and to B, but care must be taken to address boards on one channel are not duplicated.
That is, if you have an extra charge with address 1, then you can connect it to an empty channel B, channel A and it can be connected only if it does not address the board 1.



User pictures with discussion topics BMS, always shown the correct connection to the battery:
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BMS in action:


BMS connections easiest with 4s packs.

To use 6s packs, it's possible to create custom wire harness like this:
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To use 5s packs, this works:
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by GCinDC » Jun 30, 2014 8:05 am

Firmware Upgrades
Text tranlated from here.
Jeka on Russian Electrotransport Forum wrote:
About the Firmware:
1) For controllers and mini-e max-e separate firmware. Flash controller is not their firmware will not work.
2) For each type of controllers (ie mini and max), there are two variations on the firmware - locked (native firmware) and unlocked (firmware with removed restrictions, but when flashing firmware unlocked you lose warranty). You can flash the controller firmware locked unlocked. Flash back is impossible.

Differences locked from unlocked firmware:
- In the unlocked firmware after 92 volt power is not reduced. Here we must be very careful. When working on the controller phase currents have large voltage spikes (the more the more phase current emissions - about 10 volts per phase current to 100A max-e), which can kill the power of the controller. Highly recommended nutrition dopayat capacity at least 6000 microfarads with low internal resistance, as well as 10 uF ceramic / film capacitors low-esr.

- In the unlocked firmware significantly increased beyond current job profiles
- Accordingly, the temperature control is in all firmware. But keep in mind that the heat sink has inertia and very rapid heating protection may not be able to work.
File names are as follows:
max-l.bin - native firmware for the max-e
max-u.bin - firmware for extreme losing your warranty, for max-e
mini-l.bin - native firmware for the mini-e
mini-u.bin - firmware for extreme losing your warranty for mini-e

Firmware Location:
http://adaptto.ru/firmware/

If everything works, then sew for fun is not recommended.
When the firmware update is recommended to reset all the settings of the controller, as after some updates may occur glitches associated with the new settings.


Firmware V1-RC1 - May 22, 2013
- Fixed a bug that caused a slight twitch of the motor at a speed of
- Fixed a bug that caused twitching in the first 1.5 seconds after launch on a small power
- PWM frequency selection added when charging (and DCDC) - 18 or 33 kHz. For mini-e 33 is recommended for max-e - 18 kHz.
- Added temperature control mode DCDC. Prior to this update mode DCDC had no temperature control, respectively, can overheat controller.
- Improved start in sensorless mode. Added setting speed acceleration in sensorless.
(Must be sufficiently stable. While testing, will soon release.)


Controller, V1-RC6 - Jun 05 2013
While testing, after testing (most likely tomorrow) will publish.
- Reworked the cruise control. Now cruise maintains a constant speed, not speed + power. Triple short activated by pressing the small knob of gas (as triple mouse click), the activation measures the current speed and its support. On display is also an opportunity to adjust the speed when activated cruise.
- Improved algorithm for charging. When PWM output mode (at the beginning of charge) current better and smoother stabilized. Should fix the work on low-power charge and charging 12 volts.
- Various minor bug fixes.

Additional fixes in v1-RC6: June 10, 2013
- Fixed some bugs when drawing the main screen
- Cruise now starts-off with the throttle button (or the quick menu) or by pressing the display button up and hold the throttle, or triple-click the throttle. The minimum speed at which the cruise activated - 8 km / h

v1-RC7 - June 20, 2013
- Redesigned set range. Now more accurate power limitation - limited maximum speed and maximum acceleration. Ride with this option has become much more convenient (in slides always climbs). Pressing the display button can exit suspend / resume action set range.
- Introduced checksum fieldbus. Exchange with BMS and other devices are now protected from interference / errors.
- Added option compensation deadtime, which led to the vibration at low speed. With proper selection of parameter vibrations become significantly less.
- With a full reset to factory settings will not be reset calibration (calibration voltage and shunt current zero).
- Menu with quick menu save settings / BMS now appears only when settings are changed


v1-RC7b - June 25, 2013
- In charging mode improved algorithm for determining vdrop (maximum voltage drop on the power supply)
- Removed experimental features and halls swevent hall filter
- Added ability to work with an external speed sensor, brake coupled to the input of the display (instead of the brake)
- Minor cosmetic changes interface

Additional Changes in RC7b - July 1, 2013
- External speed sensor works from the wheel speed of 0.5 rev / sec
- Improved algorithm Auto adjust irregularities installation halls. During long rides on a small capacity motor sometimes began to buzz. Fixed.

v1-RC7c - Jul 05 2013
Not working error correction mechanism Hall sensor. Bug appeared in RC7b. Fixed
Posted in health monitor display error Hall sensor.

v1-RC8 - October 15, 2013
- Added a mode wheel lock (protivougonki)
- Fixed a bug that did not allow charging from low-voltage power supplies
- Added reverse braking mode
- Transcribed quite a few parts of the code. May cause glitches where they were not. In particular, subject to verification work cutoff voltage in different modes.
- Various minor changes (for example, changed the algorithm response simultaneously pressed the throttle and brake)

v1-RC8b - October 17, 2013
- Fixed a bug that caused the controller to reboot when switching reverse and when you run autodetect.
- Fixed a bug that caused a failure with BMS port after switching.
- Full autodetect now correctly determines KV motor. Improved manual detection KV.

v1-RC8c - October 20, 2013

- In use KV improved algorithm start and end torque feed. Clicks start-stop when you press the gas-steel brake less.
- Fixed error in some cases short-term potential in the high-power motor and subsequent emergency shutdown controller (protect). Bug appeared in v1-RC8.
- Sinusoidal control is now included with almost zero speed.
- Updated regenerative braking. Removed blows wheel when disconnecting active regen, the minimum speed required for the operation of active regen reduced to 0.15 km / h Introduced additional settings that affect the smooth operation at low speed braking.

This update should be more or less stable, and if serious glitches reveal will be posted for public use.

v1-RC8d - October 26, 2013

- Fixed bug in autodetect. A new algorithm to generate a reset at some settings.
- Fixed lock when you turn the wheel. Earlier wheel inadequately spun after rebooting with the system armed
- Introduced on threshold cruise. Now the cruise is not automatically activated when shaking handle accelerator position close to the minimum gas
- Lock mode accelerator (! THR!) With active cruise now works correctly

v1-RC8e - October 26, 2013

- Controller can not be locked onto a spinning motor. To lock the motor must be stopped.
- The controller stores the lock mode is turned off. If you restart (disable-enable) the controller is not in lock mode, the lock is not activated.

v1-RC8f - November 5, 2013
- Removed the ability to use 33 kHz PWM to max-e
- To make a more accurate method of monitoring the presence of the charger.
- Angle corr2 now only works in the active inhibition.
- Angle corr2 now is the independent variable, ie does not depend on angle corr

-Added support termotadchika NTC10k - working range is limited 29-150 C
-Added support for the temperature sensor KTY81-210
-Removed support for temperature sensors and PT1k PT2k

Progression-added function of the brake lever.

v1-RC9B - June 30, 2014
a little more before the full release. Spread for public testing. Basically: fixed a lot of glitches, the screen began charging informative.

- Sensorless: one way worked fine, the other to pick demanded a complete stop motor.
- Implemented CV mode to prevent jerking the controller for almost discharged battery.
- Reworked logic of charge. Now for the charge must be a screen charge, include charge mode, connect charging. When the charge mode controls are locked. When the charge is over - turn off charging mode and then charge mode. Returned (in the firmware RC8 * otvutstvovala) support the connection sensor memory. For operation with encoder mode charge mode is switched automatically.
- The current in the range of -0.1 to-0.9A displayed on the main screen without minus
- When turning the power to the display (via the ignition key), did not show the main screen, you had to click the button.
- Displays graphics BMS (for RC8) - battery filling pattern was incorrect, incorrect voltage range.
- On a small gas under certain circumstances, the controller can rotate the motor in the reverse direction. Fixed.
- In the advanced settings incorrectly displayed negative current. Fixed.
- Increased the maximum threshold voltage to charge, in which the controller maintains the ability to control the charging current (not fully proereno).
- Fixed the suspend mode (of some screens did not work. Could repay the screen and hang the controller, while the buttons did not respond and continued to eat good controller 10 mA).
- The controller does not fall asleep with the active and protivougonki suspend mode. Ie always on guard.
- Badly vykruchennyh corners timing engine can not roll out more than up to speed when the battery voltage reaches samoEDS. At the same time, if you did a short autodetect, then the motor spin up to full speed only the second time. The first release of the gas after the strong promotion determine KV.
- When connecting the display screens on the part of the image is not updated [fixed]
- Minor changes in the names: for example, BMS setup renamed battery setup.

- Added setting battery setup -> v softlimit. The controller starts to limit the current to a lower cut-off when the voltage drops to dischg cutoff + v softlimit. If the voltage suddenly drops below dischg cutoff, the controller will immediately shut down the engine. Selected the minimum number (usually 0.5-1V), in which the cut-off works smoothly without sudden blackouts.

Firmware is available here: http://adaptto.ru/firmware/v1-RC9b/

v1-RC9s - August 17, 2014
- Protection against pereraskrutki: maximum speed is increased by 25%.
- Active regeneration: In a large phase current on low-power motors hall sensors remagnetizing and they refuse. As a result of inhibition disconnected. Now failure deceleration is not disabled, and limited phase current if failure happens halls.
- DCDC not included without hall sensors
- The maximum number of cells BMS increased by 2 times
- Removed crash when calibrating borders handles gas-brakes if the line to push for the screen
- Anything else trivia

Firmware is available here: http://adaptto.ru/firmware/v1-RC9s/

v1-RC9d - August 23, 2014
- Charge: Fixed a bug that caused a failure of the controller, when neprervynom battery more than 6-7 hours.
- In the unlocked firmware version increased the maximum speed (OVS) by 50% relative to the normal maximum speed of the motor. In the locked version of the meaning remains the same - 25%.
- Speed ​​limit: at some settings in the profiles of the speed limit and speed ratio motor incorrectly counted the speed limit and could not respond to the throttle at all.
- On a very slow motors (ie, low KV) Controller could not Auto Detect and features of the motor does not spin up to maximum power. Fixed.

v1-RC9e - October 4, 2014
- Fixed bug sensorless operation at low speeds when the system is wire r phc. On older firmware from the start of the controller sometimes gave high current that triggers the hardware protection and shock in the motor.
- Mode 2WD: pererebotan completely, with old firmware is not compatible. Slave controller now uses the same profile as the main. The speed limit of the main controller is betrayed slave.
- To take into account the current consumption of the second controller in 2WD mode, you need to install the slave controller traction setup -> slave No to "0000"
Also made recovery and back up on the slave controller. Regeneration is disabled on the slave controller disabling the regen, and back up - the main controller option "traction settings" -> "2WD backwd"
- Mode DCDC converter is now available only in the unlocked firmware

After flashing the need to reset all settings. Otherwise you catch bugs.
How to Upgrade the Firmware:
- Insert SD card in PC (all data will be lost, save the SD card to restore to the firmware version later)
- Go to: http://adaptto.ru/firmware/
- Open the firmware version folder you'd like and download the version to a local drive.
- Click and run: RSDWriter.exe (In windows 7 and older need to run the program as an administrator. Right-click the exe file, select the item there - "Run as administrator". Otherwise the utility will run, but will not be able to access the flash drive.)
- Confirm SD card is displayed (not blank) in the pull down (reinsert SD card if it's not displaying and click Oбновление to refresh. Note that this message displays error: "Error during write of firmware in to unit(sektor Nr.227)")
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- Click second button on right to Browse to downloaded firmware file. (For each type of controllers (ie mini and max), there are two variations on the firmware - locked (native firmware) and unlocked (firmware with removed restrictions, but when flashing firmware unlocked you lose warranty). You can flash the controller firmware locked unlocked. Flash back is impossible. )
- Click bottom right button (Translation: "Write") and wait. this writes the firmware to the SD card.
- Remove SD w/ new firmware from computer
- Unscrew all mini-E/Max-E display screws and carefully open top to reveal SD card port
- Insert SD card.
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- Power it up and follow instructions to update:
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- Power down. Remove the SD card. Power up the system.
- Go to Advanced Menu and do full system reset, and then reset all your settings manually, including autodetect.
Note: If there was any abnormality flashing, the controller will turn on when you try to write "CRC failed. Upgrade firmware". In this re-flash can be repeated twitching food. :?:
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by arcticfly » Jul 01, 2014 8:16 am

As a soon to be Max-E owner, I´ll subscribe to this.

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Post by crea2k » Jul 01, 2014 10:07 am

Max-E paid for, awaiting payment & shipping confirmation.

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Post by crea2k » Jul 01, 2014 10:08 am

By the way, this is my thread for the BMS setup / battery pack config / wiring https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =2&t=61059

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Hugechainring » Jul 02, 2014 7:47 pm

How do you feel about taking it upon ourselves (ES members) to re-translate the manuals and other documentation into language that is more consistent with US/UK English. The Google translations are difficult, as the structure of Russian differs somewhat, and I think there are typos in the forums that make translating some of the words and phrases impossible.
This would take some work, and there would need to be a caveat that there could be some errors on our part. I could start on some section, say the start up section, submit it for proofread, and then perhaps it could be posted as a PDF with a revision number.

Forum members could comment or ask for revisions if they find errors or some undocumented functionality. I think this would be a huge service to both Adaptto and the community outside of Russia.

The trick is to keep the thread from getting cluttered up.

What do you think? Suggestions?

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by GCinDC » Jul 02, 2014 7:56 pm

Meant to fill this out more today but got swamped. The other thread is a for sale thread and will go away. The point of this thread to have all that documentation (in English). The top post will be a Table of Contents to all the relevant, useful info wherever it may be. I want it to have all the info of the User Guide, plus a lot more explanation.

I would just ask that people try to make relevant posts of useful info.

I really, really don't want people to post up their shipping, ordering gripes. Let's keep all that in the for sale thread.

And with that, if you have useful info to share that will help anyone in their use of the system, please share.
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by crea2k » Jul 03, 2014 3:17 am

There is an English manual you know already : http://adaptto.ru/files/Maxcontoller_Manual_V1_EN.pdf

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Post by crea2k » Jul 03, 2014 4:43 am

Here you go, iv translated the very latest Russian manual into English, if you open the other English one I linked earlier to use as reference you should be able to pretty much make sense of this one :
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Post by Hugechainring » Jul 03, 2014 5:10 am

You've made my point. Read what you've produced, find all the errors, missing illustrations, and the poor translation then compare it to the quality of the Russian version. This isn't simple. I've already looked into it at length.
That English manual is of some use but out of date. Please try to keep this thread clean by posting good, up to date info.

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Post by crea2k » Jul 03, 2014 5:21 am

Iv read it and and you can make sense of most of it if you read the whole paragraph you can work out what its about, it just need re typing so it makes perfect sense, but a lot of it I could get by with, especially if you use the old one as reference.

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by GCinDC » Jul 03, 2014 5:34 am

crea2k wrote:Here you go, iv translated the very latest Russian manual into English, if you open the other English one I linked earlier to use as reference you should be able to pretty much make sense of this one :
_manual.ru.en.pdf
Thanks, this is helpful. Do you have it as a word or google doc?
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Post by crea2k » Jul 03, 2014 5:53 am

Here you go :
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Post by Paradigm » Jul 06, 2014 1:17 am

Hello all! I really like these controllers and intend on using them in my up coming build. I have tried every which way to Sunday to get some technical questions answered from the manufacturer, has anyone had any luck in contacting them? The most important question for ordering purposes is: can you slave a Mini-E controller to a Max-E for 2WD mode?? Or do they have to be the same model?
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Post by GCinDC » Jul 06, 2014 8:25 am

Paradigm wrote:can you slave a Mini-E controller to a Max-E for 2WD mode?? Or do they have to be the same model?
i have never seen any menu setting with any reference to this capability, nor two any two wheel drive capability. but if you find any, please report back.

thanks for asking - i meant to encourage questions about the system, as they're often the best fuel for answers/information!

i've done a lot of work on cleaning up crea2k's manual.doc but just heard that hugechainring is ahead of me, so hopefully together we'll make some progress, and then i'll start filling up the sections above with excerpts and supplementary info.
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Paradigm » Jul 06, 2014 3:12 pm

I am pretty sure the 2WD mode is part of the software at lease. I have seen a lot of reference to it on the manufacturers website and http://electrotransport.ru/. There is a BUS port where you can wire a second controller (along with the BMS and DC-DC converter) as a slave to the primary to use 2WD & traction control, though from what I read it dose not work well with non sensored motors.
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by GCinDC » Jul 08, 2014 11:54 am

Paradigm wrote:I am pretty sure the 2WD mode is part of the software at lease...
you're right - i was wrong. i see it now in upgraded firmware, and here it is in (incomplete) translation of user guide:
2.2.16 All-wheel drive mode

Option 2WD used when connecting a second Slave controller to control a second engine. From the menu, you can enable / disable the second engine, and set the maxi mum speed to which the second motor will run. Need it to second gear if the engine had a chance to turn it off at a certain velocity, for it only as an assistant at the start and the motion of a low speed such as uphill, ie those in swing mode, in which the main direct-drive motor to be sufficient neobladaet effektinostyu. Slave controller must have additional ethyl connector. Additional connector is not included as standard and must be ordered separately.
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by bitcom77 » Jul 08, 2014 1:33 pm

Since my mini-E just arrived this is very helpful :)

One question though, the BMS seems like it is already varnished to some degree, what weather/water-proofing have folks attempted?
I assume something like a clear shrink wrap or such might be on order

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Paradigm » Jul 08, 2014 9:53 pm

I am trying to place an order for a Max-E. Mini-E, BMS, and Max-E charge cable (also the cable to connect the second controller) and i'm having a hell of a time putting this order through. Can anyone who has gone through the ordering process give me a hand? I really want to become a distributor for these products, if they were not so god awful to buy I think they would sell well.
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by Dark Knight » Jul 09, 2014 12:30 am

Good work GC - subscribed

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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by liveforphysics » Jul 09, 2014 12:52 am

I wonder if they would accept an e-currency alternative (bitcoin? Google wallet dollars or something?)

If so, it could take a lot of the hassle and delay time out of the ordering experience, and prevent crooked banking transaction fees.
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Re: Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

Post by crea2k » Jul 09, 2014 2:55 am

Paradigm wrote:I am trying to place an order for a Max-E. Mini-E, BMS, and Max-E charge cable (also the cable to connect the second controller) and i'm having a hell of a time putting this order through. Can anyone who has gone through the ordering process give me a hand? I really want to become a distributor for these products, if they were not so god awful to buy I think they would sell well.
What problem are you having ?.

I too think they need to accept paypal or something like that as the banking charges are criminal.

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