Faulty BMS on my 1000W ebike?... with pics!

ph001

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Hey all,

Not having much luck with my 1000w Cyclotricity Stealth of late :-(

Had the original 48V battery replaced by Cyclotricity at 11 months from new due to going high impedance. New battery arrived and worked just fine for last 3 months (albeit very little usage, probably 5-10 charge cycles).

Went out for a ride, maybe used 50% battery, came back and plugged the charger in but didn't get the usual orange light showing on the charger (just stayed green)?? Left overnight and in the morning it was the same with only 2 bars showing on the LCD. Bike still worked OK, power going to motor etc.

Measured the voltage coming out of the charger and it was about 11v and unstable. Great, I thought...dead charger. Bought a new charger with a super spanking 54.5V on it's o/p and plugged it in. LED on charger still stayed green. WTF! Checked o/p voltage again and correct at 54.5V

Checked the voltage on the jack on the battery itself and was reading 50.8V, which sounds about right. It just won't take any current from the charger.

OK, must be a BMS problem I thought. Knowing Cyclotricity wouldn't extend the original warranty past 12 months I set about opening up the battery. This was a total bitch as they glue the plastic casings to the cells. Finally got it apart to expose the BMS module.

It looks like there are two FETS's control the charging (HY1807) and 4 to do the discharge (HY4008). The FETS all seem to measure fine and I can't see any bad solder joints / burned components etc.

It's defo not charging the battery though. With the charger plugged in, I can measure 54.5V on the C- terminal but only 50.8V on the B- terminal. The P- terminal has 50.8V on it with the battery enable switch on and nothing with the switch off, just as you would expect. Measuring down all the small signal wires they go up in voltage incrementally in 3.9V steps as you move along each pin:

1 - 3.91V
2 - 7.28V (3.91V)
3 - 11.73V (3.91V)
4 - 15.64V (3.91V)
5 - 19.55V (3.91V)
6 - 23.46V (3.91V)
7 - 27.37V (3.91V)
8 - 31.28V (3.91V)
9 - 35.19V (3.91V)
10 - 39.10V (3.91V)
11 - 43.00V (3.90V)
12 - 46.92V (3.92V)
13 - 50.82V (3.90V)

I also disconnected the multi-way signal connector and plugged it back in the hope of some kind of 'reset' but alas still no charge voltage on the battery.

I'm not really sure where to go from here. Any ideas?

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Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately the new battery was sent on an exchange basis.

I was looking for a new BMS I could just retrofit but struggling to find one the same size (65mm x 35mm). I'm also not sure about the power on/off switch on the battery which connect to the red & blk wires on the bottom right. None of the aftermarket BMS's seem to have this?

I found this on Ebay which looks like it might do the job IF I can get it to fit physically, but it doesn't have the on/off facility??.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/13S-48V-...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
 
The one you listed was 60x100 mm. This one is about the same size with on/off and temp sensor. Probably 4 weeks to arrive.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3-7V-cell-13S-48V-40A-lithium-battery-BMS-With-ON-OFF-switch-and-balance-function/32847121949.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.63.411d505cMwqmHG&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10065_10344_10130_10068_10324_10342_10547_10325_10546_10343_10340_10548_10341_10545_10084_10617_10083_10616_10615_10307_5920011_10313_10059_10534_100031_10604_10103_441_442_10142,searchweb201603_6,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=d871a187-8c76-449a-ba32-c693d911de78-9&algo_pvid=d871a187-8c76-449a-ba32-c693d911de78&priceBeautifyAB=3
 
Many thanks, yes - in fact that is from the same manufacturer in China. Only the 4-6 weeks shipping that puts a bit of a downer on it. What are the ramifications of not having a battery on/off switch? Does the speed controller drain power even if the LCD is off?
 
I don't think my KT controllers draw anything when powered off, but I don't leave batteries without on/off switches connected when not riding. I store the batteries in a fire-safe box. See what your multimeter tells you on dark current. 1-3 ma would seem safe to me, but 10 ma is 1.68 AH in a week (168 hours).

Hmm, it would seem that batteries w/o on/off switches are always powered up, meaning the voltage sense circuits are running. Maybe the balance is enabled too. Perhaps the power switches only enables the discharge MOSFET's.

I guess I would just wait for the BMS I want, but I'm not riding right now in January.
 
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