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80 Day Race

Post by Diva » Nov 25, 2014 7:47 am

Hi all !

Anybody heard about this: 80 day race ? It's a race based on the novel "Around the world in 80 days" by Jules Vernes.

I think I'll start a kickstarter campaign to collect funds :mrgreen:

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Re: 80 Day Race

Post by The fingers » Nov 25, 2014 9:53 am

Saw the original movie at the theater with my family when I was a kid. 8)
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Re: 80 Day Race

Post by arkmundi » Jan 26, 2015 10:01 pm

Cool. Don't quite get the rules. Around the world in the same vehicle? Or multiple vehicles? So a fast land motorcycle, but then you hit the ocean. So then a boat maybe? Or do you pack up your land vehicle for shipping across the ocean? But then does that violate the rule of not using fossil fuels? And does renewable fuel mean its OK to use biodiesel? The rules aren't elaborated anywhere I could find. :?:
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Re: 80 Day Race

Post by arkmundi » Jan 27, 2015 4:46 am

So I posed my question at their web site and got an answer:
Although it is very well possible to cross both the Pacific and Atlantic oceans by sustainable means, the cost of the winning strategy is enormous. It would require an America’s Cup boat or a Volvo Ocean Race boat, as these are currently the fastest non-combustion engine options. Sadly, these boats come at an extreme cost, so we’ve decided to leave these crossings out of the race for the first edition of 80 Day Race. I hope that in a few years’ time we are able to include these crossings at a reasonable price tag.

We as organisation will facilitate the vehicle transport from one continent to the other.

Having said that, the race is open to all modalities of vehicles; land, water or air. In some cases it might be an option for a team to use a vessel instead of a land based vehicle. E.g. India to China is a leg where you have a few options, a very difficult over land option via the Himalayas or through Myanmar, but also over water via Colcotta and then sailing to e.g. Hong Kong. The race rules allow it, as long as the teams make it from one host city to the other, without using combustion engines and without non-renewable fuels.

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Re: 80 Day Race

Post by arkmundi » Jan 27, 2015 12:10 pm

And more....
... we don’t allow combustion engines (in- or external combustion), but all other technology is allowed. So fuel cells, battery electric or a combination of both. Also, solar panel supported battery electric vehicles or any other contraption you can think of. Even electric planes or blimps (http://www.solarship.com) would be allowed...
... So to clarify, a jet on biofuels isn’t allowed as that is an external combustion engine. Neither is an old Mercedes on used cooking oil, as that is an internal combustion engine...
... The race provides perfect opportunities for companies to show their pioneering spirit and their effort to achieve a sustainable future. Since the race is fully televised, the possibilities for brands to carry their message around the globe are unprecedented.
Its 24,855 miles over 80 days, so averaging 311 miles a day. The organizers are attempting to drum up some enthusiasm for the race, but at the moment, have only one entry, a group of young engineers working on an electric motorcycle. It appears that funding the race, including the media team following the racers on the road, will come from selling rebroadcast rights as reality TV. For the moment, nothing but questions.

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Re: 80 Day Race

Post by arkmundi » Jan 29, 2015 7:03 am

Dear organizers: I beg one more answer regarding the rules for the race. Thanks for the clarification of "renewable fuel". But how do you know? Let's say its an electric vehicle of some kind. What's to stop me from pulling up somewhere and charging my vehicle from an outlet? That would likely be cheating as that electricity will certainly be generated from fossil fuel combustion, coal or natural gas. Is it that you've sent someone along to document the entry and they're video recording everything? Or does the design of the vehicle have to be such that its generation source is on-board, like solar?

Or would a Tesla Model S qualify? What if Tesla were the entry and their "solution" was to have solar charging stations on the entire route, within 250 miles of each other. So they map the route they'll take and complete a build-out of the entire route. Well then, race done. No one else can compete. Are you challenging just Tesla here and then advertising their successful completion of a world-wide circuit of solar charging stations?

FYI, technical thread: 80 Day Race Open Source Design

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Re: 80 Day Race

Post by arkmundi » Jan 29, 2015 10:13 am

80dr wrote:We designed the race to show what sustainable vehicles can do. Not to show that the infrastructure is still dirty. So while I dislike the fact that people can charge vehicles via an outlet, a generator or hydrogen from cracked natural gas, there is nothing we do to prevent it. To be honest, we would have no means to verify the origins of all these sources.

To your other point, I don’t expect Tesla to invest in a (solar) charging infrastructure along the route. And even if they would, there would still be an option for competition, as another team might do battery swapping along the same route or have hydrogen tanks waiting for them.

A Nissan Leaf with an extended battery pack is actually more energy efficient than a Tesla and could still easily win. The same goes for the bespoke vehicles that are developed by the various teams.
I made some suggestions to the 80dr organizers on how they could make this race much more interesting by including both vehicle AND renewable energy. The real challenge is the design of a long-distance electric vehicle capable of using just ambient energy - solar & wind. Make it about just the vehicle, without the renewable energy piece alluded to on the web site, and it gets boring. So what, I can plug in my vehicle. But get around the world on just ambient energy - now there's something really interesting.
80dr wrote:We’ve had discussions with different partners about being able to monitor energy usage. It is extremely difficult to correctly monitor the usage due to the diversity of technologies in the race. Our experts couldn’t agree on a fool proof mechanism to do that.

I’m not sure if you know but there was a race, organized by one of our ambassadors Louis Palmer, called the Zero Race, that had a hybrid scoring system. It was very difficult to see who was winning and why. In hindsight Louis’ view this wasn’t the best way to approach it. It is easier for the public to judge a team being 4 hours behind is closer than a team 3 days behind. It’s more transparent.

Broadcasters are a special ‘breed’, so we need to invest a lot of time with them, and most of them have very clear ideas on what it is they want to broadcast. What we think is a great idea, doesn’t always resonate with them.
And my reply: Long shot is if you do it right, It'd be interesting enough for a lot of ES-forum members to want to consider, including myself. Not, then I'll watch some, but forget about participating in any way. Your web site was initially encouraging, up until I asked this question. Too bad you guys want to make this easy & boring rather than challenging and interesting. So what you have is just an endurance run, coming down the team of drivers. And how much money you've got, so you can have a swap in battery every 200 miles or so, and getting that heavy product & people where they need to be.

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Re: 80 Day Race

Post by arkmundi » Jan 29, 2015 12:50 pm

To 80DR: Thanks for the dialog. What I'm experienced with from my mountain bike days in the '80's, is that the makers & riders of those bikes got together and began to formulate paths, challenges and races. Racing informally and because it was fun to do. Then eventually attracting people from around the world. It got more formal, with rules and so forth, at a latter stage of evolution. Key point: racing with and by the racers, who have a significant say in the race itself.

You should (not that you will or can) add a forum to your website at forum80dr.com. That way, you'd be more engaging with potential entrants and audience members. Because its the dialog between and among the makers & riders of these "sustainable vehicles" that is interesting, should be interesting. To press the envelop so to speak.

In that context, it would be possible to form "rules" that work for everyone interested, rather than an elite few commercial interests wanting advertising & exposure. Rather than a rich few who can afford the cost of fielding an endurance vehicle, drivers and crew.

Otherwise, I'll stick with the endless-sphere, a public forum, non-profit, not for the commercial interest, where the real work of what you suggest is being undertaken. Maybe we'll put together our own race of "sustainable" vehicles with the elements that should otherwise be a part of your race, including the energy question, which after all is the most technically challenging aspect - its storage and renewable energy charging.
Sorry to hear you think it will be boring and easy.

I’m not sure how much experience you have with overland travel, but from experience I can tell you it will be anything but boring and easy. Especially with new technology.

We know we can’t satisfy everyone with our approach and I’m sorry you aren’t happy with what you see. We believe we have an interesting race and have accumulated loads of interest from ambassadors and potential teams, so we must be doing something right.

I agree that in an ideal world we would be able to include the source of the energy, but for now it is practically impossible to do that.

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Re: 80 Day Race

Post by Warren » Oct 11, 2016 9:57 am

I don't know how many teams finally entered this event, but the Eindhoven college team has made it across Europe and Asia, and is now in California.

https://www.storm-eindhoven.com/

With vans and lots of backup, it doesn't seem very groundbreaking ten years into the latest EV era. But I'm sure it is pretty exciting for the students involved. The two most interesting things, to me, are the battery modules, and the motor's two speed box.

The modules are apparently 28s4p, 18650, ~ 3.0 Ah cells. Each module has its own BMS which communicates with the main BMS. The modules are run 3s8p for touring, or 3s4p for racing. For this event they are running all 24 modules, which total 396 pounds, in their aluminum boxes.

Even with ~ 300 volts, they are running a two speed planetary SmeshGear transmission.


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