"SpinPulse" concept: Re-thinking the bottom bracket

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"SpinPulse" concept: Re-thinking the bottom bracket

Postby MattyCiii » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:55 am

Overview.jpg
SpinPulse drive in (massively oversized, purple, square) down tube/enclosure
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Hello ES!
Probably not a new idea, but here goes...
The concept is to take the down tube, bottom bracket, etc. and re-think it as a power module, merging human and electric power sources. Another variation on StokeMonkey, Cyclone, and j3tch1u's Mag Max, influenced heavily by the RC stuff and Recumpense's multi-stage reduction drives.

Design goals:
1) Modularity: If 10 or 100 are built, can they be used as prime movers in a variety of bikes?
2) Practicality: Can it be built without dozens of custom parts?
3) Performance: Keep the weight low and central. Minimize unsprung weight in the wheels.
4) Economy: Building the e-drive components into frame components means I'm getting double-duty out of high strength/stiffness components, vice adding in strong (~= heavy) stiffeners strictly for the e-drive
5) Flexibility: Bike should work well in pedal only mode. It should work well in e-drive only mode.

Implementation:
Here's a picture of what I have in mind:
1st build: Dahon Jetstream folding bike. Quick, reliable, capable of 30mph. Light enough to lift, folds for easy transport by car/bus/train.
2nd build: RC powered 2009 Norco A-Line. Top speed 31mph. Built like a tank, it's resistant to Boston potholes, can stop on a dime, easily goes up/down curbs when necessary.
3rd build (just started): Scratch build ultimate utility bike. Based on a common power module using a NuVinci left side freewheel.
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Re: "SpinPulse" concept: Re-thinking the bottom bracket

Postby MattyCiii » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:01 am

OK, I'm new at posting stuff so the pic did not end up where I'd hoped...

Some custom components will likely be required - but I hope to minimize them. All suggestions welcome! Let's start with the crank. I should be able to use an off-the-shelf crank. The drawing below shows a 22mm diameter spindle trials crank with front freewheel adapter and freewheel. Pardon my crude 3D drawing skills:
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Trials Crank.jpg
A 22mm commercial crank set, with front freewheel adapter and freewheel shown.
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2nd build: RC powered 2009 Norco A-Line. Top speed 31mph. Built like a tank, it's resistant to Boston potholes, can stop on a dime, easily goes up/down curbs when necessary.
3rd build (just started): Scratch build ultimate utility bike. Based on a common power module using a NuVinci left side freewheel.
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Re: "SpinPulse" concept: Re-thinking the bottom bracket

Postby MattyCiii » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:06 am

The e-drive piece is embedded in the bike frame. To transfer power out to the chain ring will require a collection of off-the-shelf and custom parts. First, two needle roller bearings are added (in blue), one inside the frame and one outside...
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Crank, needle bearings and frame.png
In blue - needle roller bearings that will allow the crank to turn independently of the e-powered drive
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1st build: Dahon Jetstream folding bike. Quick, reliable, capable of 30mph. Light enough to lift, folds for easy transport by car/bus/train.
2nd build: RC powered 2009 Norco A-Line. Top speed 31mph. Built like a tank, it's resistant to Boston potholes, can stop on a dime, easily goes up/down curbs when necessary.
3rd build (just started): Scratch build ultimate utility bike. Based on a common power module using a NuVinci left side freewheel.
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Re: "SpinPulse" concept: Re-thinking the bottom bracket

Postby MattyCiii » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:15 am

Next in maroon, the "Power Input Shaft".
Power Input Shaft in context.jpg
Add the Power Inout Shaft
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Hopefully not too custom, depending on material strength and inside/outside diameters available, this can be built up from thick walled tubing and an off-the-shelf gear, interfaced together...
Power input components.jpg
Maybe made of tubing plus gear, both off the shelf?
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1st build: Dahon Jetstream folding bike. Quick, reliable, capable of 30mph. Light enough to lift, folds for easy transport by car/bus/train.
2nd build: RC powered 2009 Norco A-Line. Top speed 31mph. Built like a tank, it's resistant to Boston potholes, can stop on a dime, easily goes up/down curbs when necessary.
3rd build (just started): Scratch build ultimate utility bike. Based on a common power module using a NuVinci left side freewheel.
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Re: "SpinPulse" concept: Re-thinking the bottom bracket

Postby MattyCiii » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:20 am

The whole thing would need to be able to spin freely in the frame. Note the "bottom bracket bearings" added, in blue
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Concentric cranks in frame with bearings.jpg
Left side bearing can be relatively standard for a bottom bracket. Right (drive) side would need to have larger ID (but has room for larger ID as well) to accommodate the Power Input Shaft's penetration through the frame
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1st build: Dahon Jetstream folding bike. Quick, reliable, capable of 30mph. Light enough to lift, folds for easy transport by car/bus/train.
2nd build: RC powered 2009 Norco A-Line. Top speed 31mph. Built like a tank, it's resistant to Boston potholes, can stop on a dime, easily goes up/down curbs when necessary.
3rd build (just started): Scratch build ultimate utility bike. Based on a common power module using a NuVinci left side freewheel.
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Re: "SpinPulse" concept: Re-thinking the bottom bracket

Postby MattyCiii » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:25 am

In this graphic I add a second freewheel, between the bike frame and the crank freewheel.

This freewheel's center is secured to the Power Input Shaft, so when the motor spins that shaft, the second freewheel spins. The Power Input Shaft and its freewheel are mounted onto the spindle via a pair of needle bearings, and penetrate the frame through a bearing. Yes there will be friction losses, but the motor will easily overcome that.
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Second freewheel added.
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1st build: Dahon Jetstream folding bike. Quick, reliable, capable of 30mph. Light enough to lift, folds for easy transport by car/bus/train.
2nd build: RC powered 2009 Norco A-Line. Top speed 31mph. Built like a tank, it's resistant to Boston potholes, can stop on a dime, easily goes up/down curbs when necessary.
3rd build (just started): Scratch build ultimate utility bike. Based on a common power module using a NuVinci left side freewheel.
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Re: "SpinPulse" concept: Re-thinking the bottom bracket

Postby MattyCiii » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:28 am

The output coupler fits securely to the outsides (pressed on?) of the two freewheels. When either freewheel spins, the output coupler spins.
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I probably cannot avoid having to build this part custom...
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1st build: Dahon Jetstream folding bike. Quick, reliable, capable of 30mph. Light enough to lift, folds for easy transport by car/bus/train.
2nd build: RC powered 2009 Norco A-Line. Top speed 31mph. Built like a tank, it's resistant to Boston potholes, can stop on a dime, easily goes up/down curbs when necessary.
3rd build (just started): Scratch build ultimate utility bike. Based on a common power module using a NuVinci left side freewheel.
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Re: "SpinPulse" concept: Re-thinking the bottom bracket

Postby MattyCiii » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:31 am

Add the Power Coupler into the Big Picture...
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Here's the whole assembly, with power coupler added
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3rd build (just started): Scratch build ultimate utility bike. Based on a common power module using a NuVinci left side freewheel.
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Re: "SpinPulse" concept: Re-thinking the bottom bracket

Postby MattyCiii » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:36 am

And that's about it for the concept phase.

Once I figure out how to post the data file, I'll post it so y'all can manipulate it in 3D, turn parts on/off, etc. It's built in OpenSCAD, a 3d modeling program.

I designed the system with parameterized values - so if I go from a 22mm spindle to a 19mm, I just change a couple of values and re-render. But, it's not that simple because I also looked up source/availability of matching components. For example, standard spindles are available in 22mm OD, and needle bearings can be had in 22mm ID, reducing the necessity for custom parts.

OK, so the door is open to comments. Thanks for looking!!
~Matt
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Re: "SpinPulse" concept: Re-thinking the bottom bracket

Postby MattyCiii » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:55 pm

I've found I can't post the OpenSCAD file because the ".scad" extension is not allowed. I suppose I could rename the file extension to ".txt" and instruct interested parties to change the extension back.

But I just realized, since OpenSCAD draws the 3D object based on code written in an editor, all I really need to do is post the code:

If you are interested in looking at this in 3d, do:
1) Install OpenSCAD. It's free.
2) Copy/paste the below into the Editor window
3) Press [F5] to render.
4) Comment pieces out (using C or Java like comments) to turn parts off, to see parts in isolation.

That's it!
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slop=0.5;
spindleD = 22;
freewheelID = 35;
freewheelOD = 62;
needleOD = 28;

module hollowShaft( ht, od, id ) {
   difference() {
      cylinder(h=ht, r=od/2);   
      translate([0,0,-10])   
         cylinder(h=2*ht, r=id/2);
   }   
}

module crankArm() {
   difference() {
      translate([-10,0,0])
         cube(size = [20,150,15], center = false);
      translate([0,140,-1])
         cylinder(h=17, r=6);
   }
}

module outputCoupler() {   // Combines the electric and human powered sprag clutches into one
   distance = 80;
   d1 = 50;
   union() {
      difference(){
         cylinder(h=4, r=65);
         translate([0,0,-5])
         cylinder(h=10, r=(freewheelOD+slop)/2);
         translate([0,0,-10])
            for (i = [0:4]) {
               translate([sin(360*i/5)*distance, cos(360*i/5)*distance, 0 ])
                  cylinder(h = 20, r=35);
            }
         translate([0,0,-10])
            for (i = [0:4]) {
               translate([sin(360*i/5+36)*d1, cos(360*i/5+36)*d1, 0 ])
                  cylinder(h = 20, r=8);
            }

      }
      translate([0, 0, -14.5])
         hollowShaft( 33, 67, freewheelOD+slop );         
   }
}

module spindle() {
   spindleH = 147;
   cylinder(h=spindleH, r=spindleD/2);
   cylinder(h=30, r=freewheelID/2);   
   //Crank arm - right
   crankArm();
   //Crank arm - left
      translate([0,0,132])
   rotate(a=[0,0,180])
      crankArm();
}

module freewheel() {
   color([0.9, 0.9, 0.7, 1])
   hollowShaft( 16, freewheelOD, freewheelID+slop );   
}

module needleBearing( needleOD, needleH ) {
   //http://www.qbcbearings.com/BuyRFQ/NeedleB_ST_OE_M.htm
   //Heights: 10, 12, 16, 20
   color([0.1, 0.2, 0.8, 1])
   hollowShaft( needleH, needleOD, spindleD+slop );   
}

module powerShaft() {
   translate([0,0,30])
   color([0.7, 0.3, 0.5, 1])   {
      translate([0,0,47])
         hollowShaft( 10+slop, 130,freewheelID );

      hollowShaft( 57, freewheelID, needleOD );   

   }   
}

/*
 *   Cutaway effect for the drawing
 */

module cutaway() {
   cutR = 40;
   translate([0,cutR/2+10,-slop])   
      cylinder(h=200, r=cutR/2);
}

/*
 *   Building the main picture
 */


translate([-90,30,50])
rotate(a=[45, 45, 0])

difference() {

   union() {

      // Off the shelf trials crank plus freewheel
      translate([0,0,14])
         freewheel();
      spindle();

      //Off the shelf neede bearings
      translate([0,0,71])
         needleBearing( needleOD, 16);
      translate([0,0,30])
         needleBearing( needleOD, 16);



      powerShaft() ;

      //right side bearing
      translate([0,0,49])
      color([0.3, 0.3, 0.7, 0.9])
         hollowShaft( 16, 50, 22+slop );
      //Left side bearing
      translate([0,0,110])
      color([0.3, 0.3, 0.7, 0.9])
         hollowShaft( 16, 50, 22+slop );


      translate([0,0,30+slop])
         freewheel();      



      translate([0,0,28])
         outputCoupler();



      //Drive Shaft
      color([0.7, 0.3, 0.5, 1])   {
         translate([100,-20,48])   
            cylinder(h=79, r=12);
         translate([150,-40,48])   
            cylinder(h=79, r=18);
      }
      //Belt
      color([0, 0, 0, 1]) {
         translate([0,-65,78])
         rotate(a=[0,00,2.5])
            cube(size = [156,5,8], center = false);
         translate([98,-32.5,78])
         rotate(a=[0,00,7])
            cube(size = [55,5,8], center = false);
         translate([57,20,78])
         rotate(a=[0,0,-55])
            cube(size = [55,5,8], center = false);
      }         

      //Bike Frame
      color([0.7, 0.3, 0.5, 0.5])
         difference() {
            translate([-80,-80,50])
               cube(size = [300,160,75], center = false);
            translate([-81,-70,60])
               cube(size = [310,140,55], center = false);                     }

   }
//   cutaway();
}
1st build: Dahon Jetstream folding bike. Quick, reliable, capable of 30mph. Light enough to lift, folds for easy transport by car/bus/train.
2nd build: RC powered 2009 Norco A-Line. Top speed 31mph. Built like a tank, it's resistant to Boston potholes, can stop on a dime, easily goes up/down curbs when necessary.
3rd build (just started): Scratch build ultimate utility bike. Based on a common power module using a NuVinci left side freewheel.
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