eCortina v3 - Last of the Cortina Series

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eCortina v3 - Last of the Cortina Series

Postby RWP » Tue May 29, 2012 1:13 pm

The triangle of the Cortina is just too small but I have so much invested in the bike that, at least for me, it made sense to do one more drive iteration using this frame.

I wanted a drive system that I could mount directly to a round bike tube and I wanted a motor plate that was made for the 80x Turnigy motors. I also wanted to try a belt drive first stage again and get as much reduction as I can in the first stage.

I asked Matt more than a year ago if he was going to make motor plates for the 80x Turnigy motors and he said and I paraphrase "possibly but not high on my list". It was not a no, but it was not a yes either. I asked several times and finally decided that if I want one I would have to make it myself. I also needed a different mount for the drive, the mount Matt provides makes it hard for me to mount motors the way I want. It's taken more than a year but now I want to show what I have come up with.

The 25mm wide sprockets are from Matt. The tube clamp, motor plate and tensioner (really to get more wrap around the motor pulley) I made.

8085 Turnigy with stock wind (will probably rewind this in the future and put in sensors). HV160. 4 or 6 - 25C 6s Turnigy batteries for 48v 10/15Ah.
24" wheels. 13t Crossfire on Matt's adapter. Stand alone high amp CA.

So, as you can see, lots of appreciation for what Matt has done and continues to do.

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Cortina V3 Turnigy 80x - HV 160 - 48v 15Ah
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Cortina Hard Tail Build Cortina Triton DS - eFlite 160 - 36v 10Ah LiPo - TURNIGY K-Force 120A-HV - Nexus 3 speed internal hub
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Re: Last of the Cortina's - eCortina v3

Postby RWP » Tue May 29, 2012 1:17 pm

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Cortina V3 Turnigy 80x - HV 160 - 48v 15Ah
Cortina Revisited Turnigy 80x - HV 160 - 48v 15Ah
Cortina Hard Tail Build Cortina Triton DS - eFlite 160 - 36v 10Ah LiPo - TURNIGY K-Force 120A-HV - Nexus 3 speed internal hub
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Re: Last of the Cortina's - eCortina v3

Postby neptronix » Tue May 29, 2012 1:31 pm

Very nice,a poor man's recumpence drive. Question.. could you produce more of these fairly cheap?
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Re: Last of the Cortina's - eCortina v3

Postby farmkid4 » Tue May 29, 2012 2:11 pm

^+1

Very nice and tidy! What kv is that motor 250?
Do you have the ability to read?
Do you use it to increase your understanding?

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Re: Last of the Cortina's - eCortina v3

Postby Thud » Tue May 29, 2012 3:27 pm

RWP,
So how long do we have to wait to hear your opinion on driving the bottom bracket?

Also how much reduction did you manage in the 1st stage?

I still love the lines on that Cortina :D
a perenial favorite of mine.
get some......

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Re: Last of the Cortina's - eCortina v3

Postby RWP » Wed May 30, 2012 2:03 pm

neptronix wrote:Very nice,a poor man's recumpence drive.
Question.. could you produce more of these fairly cheap?
Thank you.
Regarding production - probably not...but you can PM me for the gory details...and I can tell you up front it won't be cheap...sorry.

farmkid4 wrote:^+1 Very nice and tidy!
What kv is that motor 250?
Thanks!
The stock 8085 motor I am currently using is 170kv
The stock 80100 motors come in 130kv and 180kv

Thud wrote:RWP, So how long do we have to wait to hear your opinion on driving the bottom bracket?
Also how much reduction did you manage in the 1st stage?
I still love the lines on that Cortina :D
a perenial favorite of mine.
Thanks Thud! First stage is 20t to 95t or 4.75 to 1.
I will post more about the rideability as soon as I know more. These days I am taking everything very slow.

But what I can say is that because it's geared to top out in each gear at 25mph - 31mph and 39mph - pedaling is a joke. Top gear is the only useful gear for pedaling, and it tops out at about 10mph and I am spinning the pedals pretty fast, and I geared it lower so the motor will not have to pull such a high gear when starting up.

Because both chains are BMX I modified the derailleur to allow for the wider chain and I used only 3 sprockets on the cassette with 2 spacers between each sprocket to accommodate the wider chain. Shifting is 2 clicks of the trigger shifters up and down - not fast but it works.
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Cortina Hard Tail Build Cortina Triton DS - eFlite 160 - 36v 10Ah LiPo - TURNIGY K-Force 120A-HV - Nexus 3 speed internal hub
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Re: eCortina v3 - Last of the Cortina Series

Postby renago » Wed May 30, 2012 5:12 pm

Nice job RWP !
I am planning something similar , and will be very interested to know how you bike performs on off road .
i mean if the motor is able to get you over hills and severe obstacles without tuning upside down .
if it has enough power and traction to climb .
many people is just waiting from your lips or camera !!

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Re: eCortina v3 - Last of the Cortina Series

Postby spinningmagnets » Wed May 30, 2012 6:26 pm

Beautiful work as always, RWP. If motor supplies from China came to a halt, the 80-85 outrunner in a variety of low kVs (with an integral air-fan) is the motor I would most want US garage-machinists to start making first.

I'm thinking that if it could be wound in WYE and with the appropriate wire, the kV could be somewhere around 75-ish, and hopefully it could run well with a single reduction stage.

You should borrow a Thudbuster to test-run...I think you'd really like it.
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