Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

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Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by Allex » Aug 06, 2017 7:31 am

Looks really NEAT.
https://world.tmall.com/item/552799556962.htm?#


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For those who do not understand chinese, download google transle phone app for real time camera translation.
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by madin88 » Aug 06, 2017 2:46 pm

nice find Allex!
looks well thought-out with the linkage suspension and the two stage belt/chain drive.
The motor looks like the golden motor HPM3000. what do you think?
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by Dogboy1200 » Aug 06, 2017 5:55 pm

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by Leeleeducati » Aug 06, 2017 6:44 pm

Anyone figure out what the converted/translated USD is? Slight mods & some new components could make this very interesting. Great find!

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by amberwolf » Aug 06, 2017 7:25 pm

At 50kg, it probably weighs more than the person in that picture supposedly holding it. :lol:

For a motorcycle, I guess that's pretty light, but the ad pic.... :/

I just imagine her arms severing themselves at the elbows and the motorcycle falling and crushing her legs too.
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by Allex » Aug 07, 2017 2:26 am

madin88 wrote:nice find Allex!
looks well thought-out with the linkage suspension and the two stage belt/chain drive.
The motor looks like the golden motor HPM3000. what do you think?

Looks like a HPM3000 very much so!
The bike seems to be at pre-production stage. So it seems you need to deposit 2000yuan before they start to build yours?

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by bionicon » Aug 07, 2017 10:11 am

What material is the frame made ?

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by Allex » Aug 07, 2017 11:39 am

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Post by SlowCo » Aug 07, 2017 5:43 pm

I would love to buy one with 16" or 17" wheels as a Super-Motard version! 8)

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Post by dirkdiggler » Aug 07, 2017 5:55 pm

I like this! Looks like about $2750 for the bike. Who knows how much to ship? Wish Google could translate the characters in the pictures. Should be higher voltage than 60, but it's the style of frame I am after. Wonder if they'll sell without batteries?

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by rojitor » Aug 07, 2017 6:11 pm

That girl is on steroids!
The bike looks cool. I wanna watch a video in action.

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Post by litespeed » Aug 07, 2017 9:12 pm

I'd buy one just for the frame even if it was a turtle......looks excellent and a good start for a high power bike.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by Allex » Aug 08, 2017 2:08 am

dirkdiggler wrote:I like this! Looks like about $2750 for the bike. Who knows how much to ship? Wish Google could translate the characters in the pictures. Should be higher voltage than 60, but it's the style of frame I am after. Wonder if they'll sell without batteries?
It does translate pictures, just download the phone app.

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Post by dirkdiggler » Aug 08, 2017 3:39 pm

Didn't catch the app you recommended. Got a bit more info from their website Sur-ron.com. I couldn't find any wattage info, which would be nice to know. Also there are a few videos on the v.qq.com. I had to search using the characters for Qiu Long.

Particularly like the pic of the girl in her fart shirt. Sorry don't have time to cut it down to size. Open in another tab to view the whole picture.
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HPM3000?

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What does it say on this image of the controller?

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by dirkdiggler » Aug 08, 2017 4:21 pm

Here's the video:
https://v.qq.com/x/page/e0520v8q52a.html

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Here's better quality of the video above:
http://www.bilibili.com/video/av11113435/


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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by fechter » Aug 09, 2017 8:44 am

No pedals.
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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by SlowCo » Aug 09, 2017 3:23 pm

fechter wrote:No pedals.
That's the best part.
All those illegal electric motorcycles on this forum posing as electric "bicycles" by having pedals attached to fool the cops are laughable... :roll: :wink:

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by java230 » Aug 09, 2017 4:25 pm

This popped up in my Sur-Ron googling. Looks like this isn't the only model they make.

https://youtu.be/8etKQVm9SSM

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by dirkdiggler » Aug 09, 2017 5:16 pm

They do make a "real" electric motorcycle unlike the above "bike" . Its called the white ghost. They have another good vid about that on this page:
http://www.sur-ron.com/product/angel.htm
Which I could put a direct link, but can't figure out how to do that. It shows up in the page info as http://cnimg.sur-ron.com/us/en/img/170618/f.mp4?t=2.8, but that goes to what looks like a chinese 404 page.
The video is pretty high quality and shows some impressive scenery. Doesn't look like China to me, but if so they do have some great landscapes.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by Raisedeyebrows » Aug 10, 2017 12:55 am

dirkdiggler wrote:I like this! Looks like about $2750 for the bike. Who knows how much to ship? Wish Google could translate the characters in the pictures. Should be higher voltage than 60, but it's the style of frame I am after. Wonder if they'll sell without batteries?
Wicked looking bike, any guess how much the shipping would be? Like $900.00 USD or something like that?

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Post by SlowCo » Aug 10, 2017 7:04 am

Raisedeyebrows wrote:
dirkdiggler wrote:I like this! Looks like about $2750 for the bike. Who knows how much to ship? Wish Google could translate the characters in the pictures. Should be higher voltage than 60, but it's the style of frame I am after. Wonder if they'll sell without batteries?
Wicked looking bike, any guess how much the shipping would be? Like $900.00 USD or something like that?
Where does the $2750.- price come from? All I can find is the 2000 Yuan (appr. $280.-) on their webshop page.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by dirkdiggler » Aug 10, 2017 11:22 am

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Looks like it says 15,800 yuan ($2,372, did the exchange rate drop that fast or did I screw up?)) original price under the #1 and 14,800 is the Hair day? price, whatever that means. Granted I don't know any Chinese, so could be very, very wrong. I'm relying on google to translate for me. It does look like under #5, the bike will start shipping on August 20th. I imagine this is somewhat of a kickstarter campaign with pre-orders. That is where the 2000 yuan comes in as a deposit.

I just can't find a contact button on the web page. I tried to email them from the Sur-ron page, but never heard back.

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Re: Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike from China

Post by madin88 » Aug 10, 2017 1:08 pm

some specifications of the HPM3000 motor:

7,3kg
5000rpm max
>90% eta
25/10Nm peak/continuous torque
180mm dia
125mm height

Power is rated for 2-3kW and 6kW pweak which seems to be very conservative when looking at the performance curves.
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