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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by rebelpilot » Aug 06, 2011 10:13 am

I have deleted most of my posts. Will see everyone on the new site.

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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by mwkeefer » Aug 06, 2011 10:17 am

All,

There has been an outpouring of ideas and solutions both here on the board and in conversations I've had with many members over the past hours, at this time (and without the support of all key members, which I hope they would support) is to prevent not only this event but any in the future by forming a loose partnership as an LLP or perhaps a Coop in the state of Delaware, USA (common law jurisdiction for business, low taxes, etc) and then become recognized as a Not For Profit by the federal government (503C status).

I've already stated I would fund this out of pocket but many others have too offered up support, even some of the major online eBike kit vendors have made very generous offers of domains they own and were going to use (they were willing to sign the rights over to an independent third party not in their control) for nothing more than an OptIn check box for mail from them on sign up (not a huge request, not an opt out trick)....

That all said, I am falling on the 503C side because while at this time I can support (for the forseeable future) a much more robust server farm dedicated as needed to support our demands as a community, what happens if I drop dead? I have formed not for profits before, to deliver wireless high speed internet... or more accurately a charter group of free wireless internet where everyone has access and people who want, donate and take it as a full deduction (think town watch)... http://www.wifreenet.com and even today the initial and malvern locations are not only active they have grown in a viral fashion - 5 years after I walked away from the project.

I guess the point is we should and can be self supporting and uncontaminated by commercialization and data mining.... the one thing we can't fix is they can sell our email address list at will I believe, so we are all bound to be contacted by dozens of unknown third parties in the next days and weeks.... use caution and report any such activity either here or on the facebook forum.

Weigh in on this please people, do we want to truly become an uncorruptable community? If so then it's time to become soverign in nature.

The pluses you may not have thought of:
1.) No more outtages
2.) No more lost data and postings
3.) Not one server but perhaps 4 seperate clusters of redundant web and database servers all working as 1 virtual server - down time, slow access, overload what is that?
4.) No more confusion of the purpose of said site / forums, not for profit is not for profit
5.) Depending on the funding success (above and beyond my own personal contributions), we could have quite a fund available to:
a.) procure and test new tech kits, motors, controllers and truly rate them in a scientific manor and by multiple peers (ie: peer review of peer review) so the
information you get is 100% reliable at the time of writing
b.) Sponsor technical challenges with prizes - it's worked for Darpa for years, right guys?
c.) Setup funds to assist those who have become injured or worse with their medical expenses OR depending on size, negotiate additional health insurance discount
rates and other benefits for our members.
d.) Sponsor races, events, prizes for competition and such all around the country and world
e.) Custom bits and pieces needed (adapters, one offs, etc) which are specific to the type of thread could make out much better with group buys as a Not For Profit
association.
f.) We could subsidize the popularization of alternative forms of transportation and even sponsor rental stations and charging stations where the membership sees fit,
imagine that :)
g.) Sponsors and places like race tracks and such are much more apt to offer better rates to Not For Profit companies and lets face it, what race track owner wouldn't
pay to see bicycles churning the track at 50mph without rider effort.... or 1/4 mile drag times (Steveo, DocBass), even better they can donate their space as a
write off contribution and race events can be fund raisers too.

Unlike most non profits we would have volunteer our time and expertise (at least in the first year or two), not collect pay and thus 100% of donation money would go to the above (I would estimate about 8-10% will be the cost of overhead like bandwidth, etc... leaving 90% for the bonus features).

As so many have said, it's us the membership who make any forum what it is and I for one consider many of you (even though we have never met) to be friends, I take pleasure helping newer members through their technical issues (no matter how mondane or repetitive) and in general I enjoy the community we have here.... but we don't have to be here to be the same community.

I would like to add that I don't really fault KnightKMB or whomever actually owns / runs this operation - it seemed Endless-Sphere was really an offshoot of a consulting company (similar to mine) and times are tough plus, forums aren't the easiest thing to maintain which means membership will need to step up if we do somthing new to handle policing posts, administrative tasks, etc...

Oh yea, let's not forget about having our own IRC server and channel (or even channel on undernet.org), somthing we have needed for years now imho... suddenly that would be possible.

So there you have it people, again, please weigh in on this as I'm certainly not doing anything on behalf of a community who doesn't agree :) It is just such a shame to see what we (note I say We) have built here and all comments are welcome, in relative terms I am a new comer here... perhaps 2 years maybe less, so sound off :)

Regards,
Mike Keefer
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PS: Please stop begging for the keys to the house back, we don't need the house - we can do better :) Haven't you seen the real estate market and there is no shortage of brilliance and talent here on ES amongst it's membership base. I think we all just need to hash out a name (in private) via a group chat or somthing... facebook would allow this and NO I'm not suggesting we do our new bit on FaceBook just think of them as switzerland right now, they are neutral and the board owners aren't able to track our private group chats there...

May I suggest a time we schedule maybe late tonight (EST) or whenever we can arrange it, my email is above and I have calender so you can send prospective times or we could just create a Group Chat event and we could post it up? This needs to be a group decision.
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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by beast775 » Aug 06, 2011 10:19 am

thanks marty.

edit also mwkeefer.
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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by regmeister » Aug 06, 2011 10:26 am

How can i delete my posts in a stickied topic?

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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by marty » Aug 06, 2011 10:27 am

Hi Trevor,
Welcome to the neighborhood! Drums, PA 18222 is only a 5 hour drive from my house. You are welcome to come to Buffalo and check out my electric bicycles any time.

Hope you have money to loose because you just lost what ever you spent to buy endless-sphere.com Recommend you sell before the ship sinks.

Lets let the bidding start now. I got $2000 cash. I have no idea how to run a forum but I am sure I could figure it out. I am also not so good with words but I don't let that stop me from typing.

PS: I think the forum is fine just the way it is and I would change nothing.
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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by ambroseliao » Aug 06, 2011 10:33 am

Marty,

Network Solutions is located in Drums PA not Trevor.

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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by grindz145 » Aug 06, 2011 10:38 am

regmeister wrote:How can i delete my posts in a stickied topic?
go in and edit, and just delete all the text!

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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by gtadmin » Aug 06, 2011 10:54 am

Ok, this sucks big time. It seems we have passed the "no return" point though :roll:

Guess everyone should also change their contact emails also :evil:

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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by marty » Aug 06, 2011 10:56 am

ambroseliao wrote:Marty,

Network Solutions is located in Drums PA not Trevor.

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Duh! Sorry about that :oops:
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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by docnjoj » Aug 06, 2011 11:02 am

Wow! I just got here and it ruined my whole day! Thanks MWKeefer for making it a bit brighter. I don't do Facebook but I am interested in helping. I was mad and had a fit so since my musings are not all that fantastic I took it out on my Profile. I hope to (be seein' you)
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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by regmeister » Aug 06, 2011 11:16 am

grindz145 wrote:
regmeister wrote:How can i delete my posts in a stickied topic?
go in and edit, and just delete all the text!
It seems I can't edit in a a locked topic.

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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by Joseph C. » Aug 06, 2011 11:19 am

regmeister wrote:
grindz145 wrote:
regmeister wrote:How can i delete my posts in a stickied topic?
go in and edit, and just delete all the text!
It seems I can't edit in a a locked topic.
Yes, I was deleting my posts and the topic became locked. We are being screwed!
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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by mdd0127 » Aug 06, 2011 11:26 am

I wish we could all stand up to the central bankers and corrupt world governments with this kind of solidarity. Why not right? Isn't the internet a reflection of society in general? I think the thinking people are tired of money running the show. I hope that sentiment spreads. ES rEVolution = WORLD rEVolution!!!!!
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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by wojtek » Aug 06, 2011 11:28 am

great journey i have had with you guys - thank You all who have contributed to the better e-world, especially those to have helped me in my first steps into electric bikes.
Highly appreciated all your generous time and effort, knowledge and experience that you sacrified without looking for a recompensation.

Lets meet again in better world if nothing can be done to save the ES
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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by Zen_Shenron » Aug 06, 2011 11:32 am

Joseph C. wrote: Yes, I was deleting my posts and the topic became locked. We are being screwed!
And so it begins.
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Post by wojtek » Aug 06, 2011 11:36 am

mdd0127 wrote:I wish we could all stand up to the central bankers and corrupt world governments with this kind of solidarity. Why not right? Isn't the internet a reflection of society in general? I think the thinking people are tired of money running the show. I hope that sentiment spreads. ES rEVolution = WORLD rEVolution!!!!!
if anyone lacks motivation for the central bankers and corrupt world governments, they should watch this oscar winning documentary:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1645089/

It is a shame things went this way, behind our backs... I guess if those guys really wanted the best for the forum and members, they would consult with the gurus of this site first before actioning anything. They didn't.
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Post by TylerDurden » Aug 06, 2011 11:41 am

Joseph C. wrote:Yes, I was deleting my posts and the topic became locked. We are being screwed!
Don't delete, make them advertiser unfriendly.

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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by Farfle » Aug 06, 2011 11:44 am

I agree with Wojtek, if nothing can be done I hope that we can all get together elsewhere.
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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by chroot » Aug 06, 2011 11:46 am

See you all wheresoever new forum set up. I already signup at auraslip's email. Take care 8)
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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by Nehmo » Aug 06, 2011 11:58 am

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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by fechter » Aug 06, 2011 12:03 pm

My oh my, what a mess this turned into.

Hang on everybody. Don't start deleting your content quite yet unless you have an easy way to restore it.

Trevor is ready to negotiate. Exactly what, I don't know yet but the membership has clearly spoken and things are not going to go down like Trevor originally planned.

I have to work today, so it may take a while to get some details. Methods and Green Machine will take the lead in negotiating.



EDIT: THIS IS METHODS ADDING ONE NOTE. I am just getting back to my computer. It will be another 30 minutes. I am going to read what I missed (have not looked since my last post) and then get to work. Stop trying to delete your content - that is just making more work for us later. Do as suggested - fill your sig with spammy nonsense. Tell the world how you feel about this. Speak up in every active thread. Basically just trash this place until Trevor hangs up has hat and goes.

THEN WE WILL GO BACK AND CLEAN UP THE MESS WE MADE

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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by methods » Aug 06, 2011 1:10 pm

Trevor has agreed to sell ES
This is over

STOP DELETING CONTENT

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =1&t=30600

EDIT: Trevor is about to make an announcement. I have asked him to publicly state that he is going to give up ownership of ES and that right now the mods are in full control.

EDIT: The only reason this thread is locked is to keep this message at the bottom. We will unlock it soon. Fechter locked it, not Trevor. Trevor is NOT in control. Trevor has NEVER abused admin rights - anything that was done was done by us moderators. Please be calm.. it is only a matter of minutes now.

EDIT: Here it is, Trevor has stated publicly that ES will be returned to the people. https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewto ... =1&t=30607

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Re: Open Letter to Endless Sphere Community

Post by methods » Aug 07, 2011 12:26 am

There will be an announcement later tonight.

Stay tuned - and most importantly please keep it civil and calm.

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