Aussie 200 Watt Limit Thread

[Samd]

So would it be hard to program a cycle analyst (or similar) that behaved 'illegally (pronounced 'fun') after punching an extra button, but behaved as required upon restart (eg when the cops pull you over?)

And perhaps there is a way to simulate the pedalec effect also on reboot?

So the cops could pull you over for perceiving you are doing the wrong thing, but couldn't recreate the power being alleged?

Then you argue any speed over 25kph was simply a result of your tree stump like legs...

[heathyoung]

Yeah the 3 speed exrazyman/lyen/infineons can be programmed to detect speed selection on power up, so get pulled up, turn off controller for 'safety' and its limited when turned on again.

Turn on and hold the switch hidden on the bike (Ebrake/reed switch/prox card?) and full power.

[t3sla]

'green' vs 'yellow' postie bike colour debate.......

I really should get an official statement stipulating what they deem he colour to be....

[d8veh]

So would it be hard to program a cycle analyst (or similar) that behaved 'illegally (pronounced 'fun') after punching an extra button, but behaved as required upon restart (eg when the cops pull you over?)

And perhaps there is a way to simulate the pedalec effect also on reboot?

So the cops could pull you over for perceiving you are doing the wrong thing, but couldn't recreate the power being alleged?

Then you argue any speed over 25kph was simply a result of your tree stump like legs...

I already mentioned in a previous post that Speedict already has this function, and it works by bluetooth from your phone. If you don't get a chance to hit the button before they stop you, you just tell them that you need to make a call to let someone know you'll be late. They'd have no idea that you're changing anything and deleting all logging records. The speedict is burried inside your bike near the controller and has no onboard display, so even if your bike went for independent inspection/testing and they could figure out what it was (highly unlikely), they wouldn't be able to prove anything other than that your bike behaved as a legal one.

[Hyena]

The new V3 CA also has alot of programmable features like this too.

'green' vs 'yellow' postie bike colour debate.......

I really should get an official statement stipulating what they deem he colour to be....

It's fluro either way!
But I reckon it's closer to yellow than green, given the grass the below pic is clearly what anyone would describe as green

Does your postie look like this ?

[Sunder]

I just bought a Cute Q100 to make my bike look a little more legal. (Currently have a 1kw Magic Pie eBay knock-off.)

But to make it even closer to legal, I was thinking of one of these:



http://www.bmsbattery.com/ebike-parts/306-ebike-torque-sensor.html

Anyone used it before? Are they as bad as the hall effect based PAS? It says it has a minimum torque trigger setting, so I suspect that it wouldn't launch the bike forward just because you're adjusting the pedal position, which was my biggest bug bear with the PAS.

[shorza]

Hyena, is that your postie?
I'm jealous.

[d8veh]

I just bought a Cute Q100 to make my bike look a little more legal. (Currently have a 1kw Magic Pie eBay knock-off.)

But to make it even closer to legal, I was thinking of one of these:



http://www.bmsbattery.com/ebike-parts/306-ebike-torque-sensor.html

Anyone used it before? Are they as bad as the hall effect based PAS? It says it has a minimum torque trigger setting, so I suspect that it wouldn't launch the bike forward just because you're adjusting the pedal position, which was my biggest bug bear with the PAS.

If you have the normal Cute kit from BMSbattery with the KU63 controller, it doesn't launch you forward when you adjust the pedals. The PAS only works when you pedal in the forward direction as long as you install the magnet disk the right way round (has to be flipped on the non-chainwheel side). The PAS works very nicely on these kits. I guess you know, but just in case: You can get a bit more power from the kit. I run mine at about 18amps, which is a simple mod. Just solder up one leg of the shunt, which sits behind the plain end-plate of the controller.

Ihaven't used one of those torque sensors before, but I'm interested to know how they perform - whether the power is proportional to torque, which is bad news because you have to pedal hard all the time, or whether it works like a switch to give a set amount of power as soon as it detects a minimum torque.

[t3sla]

EDIT:

HUZZAH!

It's considered 'green' I'm right

But yes it's a high vis fluro

[Hobbit]

From wikipedia....

Lime, also traditionally known as lime green or lime-green, is a color three-quarters of the way between yellow and green (closer to yellow than to green), so named because it is a representation of the color of the citrus fruit called limes. It is the color that is half way between the web color chartreuse and yellow on the color wheel.

HUZZINGG!!!

[Samd]

Okay. But can we go back to talking about the postie chick now?

What was it again that we were discussing before that?

[Hyena]

Hyena, is that your postie?
I'm jealous.

Sadly not, just a picture I found online. When my postie arrives with a hub motor it's being delivered to me, not on his own bike

Good to see her wearing the safety gear. I wonder if Australia Post endorses a heavy tan as adequate crash protection for your arms and legs

[Samd]

You spend time online looking for pictures of semi dressed women on ebikes? Now that's a niche market! Nice one!

[jateureka]

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[jateureka]

Meh. Prob forgot to charge the battery.

Was it a lime green with a front MAC?

They are actually Bafang BPM motors

[Hyena]

You spend time online looking for pictures of semi dressed women on ebikes? Now that's a niche market! Nice one!

haha I happened across that while looking at another EV site, I promise

They are actually Bafang BPM motors

Yeah the above pic looks like a BPM but I've seen them with other motors to, most I've come across have what looks like an old WE BD36

[Ecommuter]

You will need the ebikers to unite in Europe and make a fuss over the ticy tac rubbish they are legislating for.Do they set speed limiters on cars, buses or motorbikes?The only major vehicles in Australia they speed regulate is semitrailers over a prescribed weight.I think my ebike is how many tonnes shy of a semitrailer? Just increase the penalties,leave the current 200w limit in place.Set speed limits along shared cycle paths to 25kms for ebikes.How could anyone consider an ebike in Australia in the future with those idiotic restrictions? Twist and go? Pedalex sounds like a friggin disease, Give me break!

[Sunder]

I can't tell if you're serious or not, but the fines for riding a non compliant ebike is up to 9 demerit points (3/4 of your licence if you're a full driver, or instant loss of licence for everyone else) and up to $7700 if it goes to court. That's assuming nobosy is hurt. How much harsher do you want the penalty?

I think the way it's done is fine at the moment - low limits, harsh potential penalties for idiots and turn a blind eye to anyone not acting stupidly.

[Ecommuter]

Thank you for your reply. Look Ive cooled down since my last message.They keep squeezing and squeezing till it hurts.I think you're right the laws are sufficient,its the 1 percentas that create mischief and politicians that feel we have to copy everything that goes on the other side of the planet.Leave it as it is.I think if anyone in Australia thinks we'd ever get a higher wattage than 200w with no strings attached is dreaming.I think they should give us the 200W but as the higher voltage rating and 30km/HR cutout a far better compromise. Its time we as a country have a say how things are done here not how they're done in Paris.

[Architectonic]

@hyena. This new definition runs in parallel with the old. So it doesn't affect any current bikes, just allows the euro EN15194 bikes to be used in Oz.

Except that some cops are going to learn about the 25km/h assistance cutoff and assume it applies to all ebikes. I am worried about this...

I've had no problems so far with cops when faux pedalling at 40km/h, (I'm not proud of it, but I've been pulled over twice in 2500 km, once my rear light had fallen off (warning), other other I was accused of going though a red light (it was close, but I didn't and I wasn't fined)). Only one of them asked whether it was electric and that was the end of the questioning. I was also wearing a dirtbike helmet and I suspect that attracts attention.

[Miles]

Do they set speed limiters on cars, buses or motorbikes?

Well, there are prescribed speed limits for the categories of moped....

[Ecommuter]

If the Australian government is adopting the new EURO standards and you reckon it will allow the pedalxs (sic) to be sold here they will still not be allowed to be ridden on the road as there is a 200w limit in place.I strongly suggest to all e bikers in Australia to make submissions to their local MPs to allow a 2 tiered system ,that is all ebikes 200w and under will not require a 25km/hr motor cut off and those above will require new adopted standard.What do you reckon guys?

[adrian_sm]

No need to lobby, that is what is already happening. The change is to introduce an alternative definition. Meaning you can have a bike fall under the old or new definition.

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2012L ... ement/Text

This amendment adds an alternative ADR definition of a Power-Assisted Pedal Cycle (AB Category) to include vehicles meeting European Committee for Standardization EN 15194:2009 or EN 15194:2009+A1:2011 Cycles - Electrically power assisted cycles - EPAC Bicycles. These vehicles are now defined within the ADR as ‘Pedalecs’.

[EDIT. Fixed typo]

[schmidty_81]

I think if we're going to lobby we should try and get the US or Canadian laws to apply here too.

They seem to have some really good e-bikes over there, and I would have thought their population spread is closer aligned to ours, for the most part our cities and definitely regional towns aren't very densely populated the same as the US and Canada. Which is another reason why I'd really query the logic behind a 25kmph limit.

The other added bonus is then it would be way to complicated for your average law enforcement officer to nab you.

[Scruffoid]

I have many many times driven past the police doing 10Km over the posted speed limit and never been pulled over by them. I have been pulled over a lot of times for being stupid thou. LOL i was pulled over for going around a corner to fast on one trip home thou. Cops had guns drawn and everything. Said i looked like i was driving a stolen car. I just said what i didnt realise there was a speed limit for going around a corner as long as i wasnt going over 60 and didnt lose control of my car. Of course they checked my licence and sent me on my way gotta respect that i might have been a car theif so no problems with that LOL

Same goes in all these things. Do the right thing or at least look like you are doing the right thing. Where your safety gear. obey the road rules etc etc.

I commute down the M5 here in sydney and every day go through speed traps and get past by police. I was past by a highway patrol today and i was sitting on 50km/hr, but i was still mock pedalling as i always do and nothing was said to me. Be an idiot and weave in and out of traffic, run red lights, etc etc and you they will throw the book at you. And It was PISSING down rain today as well That sucked!!!!!!!!!!!

They arent picking on ebikers at all they just enforce the laws in general. look like you are obeying them and they dont bother you.

On another note!

The girl on the postie bike looks to be wearing full leather shoes with no socks. And riding around all day. Oh my god it would be worse than my sons feet i bet!