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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby Uncle Ron » Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:58 pm

amberwolf wrote:It would eliminate racers like me: CB2 weighs just about what I do. Even the new bike won't weigh that much less, if any, just because it's also meant to be a cargo bike and has a lot of frame for stiffness (whcih is also required to hold the heavy batteries I have, and keep the motor chain from twisting the frame and derailing like it used to on CB2).

EDIT: wait, I think you mean the opposite of what I thought you did: Do you mean that the bike has to weigh at least half of what the rider does? OR that it can't weigh any more than half?


Amber,

Wait, I meant what you originally thought I meant. (g) First let me say that what you are doing for practical and recycling reasons makes you an ES poster who I read with alacrity and fascination. You are the resident ES Cuban, keeping his personal transport together with baling wire, spit and welding skills. Bravo! But a racing bike it ain't, and I probably shouldn't say this, but you're dangerous to yourself and others when it comes to the main event when all the marbles are on the line, and those who came to race and possibly win are pushing the envelope to the max. A cargo bike doesn't belong there being lapped 2, 3 or more times and getting in the way of those who are jockeying for the win. You're probably an asset having fun in the preliminary heats and providing a bigger than normal obsticle for riders with serious racing machines to learn by adapting to. But when everything is on the line and a bump here and a nudge there may be the difference, you'd be forcing others to take too much risk. That's just the opinion of someone who doesn't and never will have any skin in the game and I'm perfectly happy for you or anyone else to tell me I'm full of it.

The main reason I brought this up at all was seeing that Paul's bike was less than half his weight and thinking that this metric might be a way to even things up for the bulkier riders a bit when perhaps the sport gains some traction and must carry more rules.
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby TylerDurden » Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:03 pm

Weight is a factor that changes significantly as the distance of events (and therefore the load of batteries) changes. Generally, weight is its own penalty.
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby Gordo » Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:34 pm

Uncle Ron wrote:
amberwolf wrote:It would eliminate racers like me: CB2 weighs just about what I do. Even the new bike won't weigh that much less, if any, just because it's also meant to be a cargo bike and has a lot of frame for stiffness (whcih is also required to hold the heavy batteries I have, and keep the motor chain from twisting the frame and derailing like it used to on CB2).

EDIT: wait, I think you mean the opposite of what I thought you did: Do you mean that the bike has to weigh at least half of what the rider does? OR that it can't weigh any more than half?


Amber,

Wait, I meant what you originally thought I meant. (g) First let me say that what you are doing for practical and recycling reasons makes you an ES poster who I read with alacrity and fascination. You are the resident ES Cuban, keeping his personal transport together with baling wire, spit and welding skills. Bravo! But a racing bike it ain't, and I probably shouldn't say this, but you're dangerous to yourself and others when it comes to the main event when all the marbles are on the line, and those who came to race and possibly win are pushing the envelope to the max. A cargo bike doesn't belong there being lapped 2, 3 or more times and getting in the way of those who are jockeying for the win. You're probably an asset having fun in the preliminary heats and providing a bigger than normal obsticle for riders with serious racing machines to learn by adapting to. But when everything is on the line and a bump here and a nudge there may be the difference, you'd be forcing others to take too much risk. That's just the opinion of someone who doesn't and never will have any skin in the game and I'm perfectly happy for you or anyone else to tell me I'm full of it.

The main reason I brought this up at all was seeing that Paul's bike was less than half his weight and thinking that this metric might be a way to even things up for the bulkier riders a bit when perhaps the sport gains some traction and must carry more rules.


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There is very little risk to other riders from a slow vehicle that keeps his line. A skilled rider that knows how and is being a menace is a real danger of huge proportion. It is up to the track stewards to make a black flag judgement, not us.
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby Uncle Ron » Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:41 pm

Gordo wrote:There is very little risk to other riders from a slow vehicle that keeps his line. A skilled rider that knows how and is being a menace is a real danger of huge proportion. It is up to the track stewards to make a black flag judgement, not us.
JWITIK. :mrgreen:


Gordo,

Shows just what I know, or in this case don't. Admitting to being full of it, with apologies to Amber. So there were stewards as this Death Race minding the store? Great!
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby TylerDurden » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:34 pm

Here's a screengrab from Scotto-'s fisheye-vid. My hat's off to all the MB guys who shot vids, and the rest too.
PaulD-at-DR2011.png

http://motorbicycling.com/f35/death-rac ... 43-43.html
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby dogman » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:57 am

Turn out for the undead race was pretty dissapointing. Even the DR was lower than last year. 5-6 buck gas next fall won't help either. Maybe we could still have a more informal fall gathering, where we just get to ride together on the track in between kart rentals next fall?

I for one, HUGELY appreciate Dave for keeping the DR alive.
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby AussieJester » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:02 pm

dogman wrote:Turn out for the undead race was pretty dissapointing. Even the DR was lower than last year. 5-6 buck gas next fall won't help either. Maybe we could still have a more informal fall gathering, where we just get to ride together on the track in between kart rentals next fall?

I for one, HUGELY appreciate Dave for keeping the DR alive.


Im sure alot of Tuscan mb locals would appreciate something like that if they don't already do it? Make it more of a group ride type of thing DoGmaN
and hammer it out on a track instead of the paths/cycle ways and roads...? Even if there was only half a dozen evenly paced bikes it would be fun
which i'm sure they would be as the type that would really want to be there would be into performance MB surely. With more regular meets it also might prompt more to get involved....give it a try in a month or so DoGMaN?

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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby dogman » Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:03 am

Lotta money, even for me, to travel to Tucson with the new price of gas this spring. Rooms in the crack ho hojos are cheap though. 8)

Wish there was more popping with ebikes in my local town. I have scouted a great paved road to nowhere that would be nice for a race. Steep hillclimb for a finish.
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby knoxie » Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:11 pm

:lol: hey uncle Ron are you sure you are not the British comedian Alexei Sayle? do a Google image search! separated at birth if not :P

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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby spinningmagnets » Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:24 pm

...5-6 buck gas next fall won't help either...I for one, HUGELY appreciate Dave for keeping the DR alive...


Smart move on his part. Clearly people who take the time and effort to post on ES are pro-electric, but every time we see a big spike-up in fuel prices, the gasser sites sell a lot of kits. Ask someone who bought one of these [loud] kits, and they will likely reply that they would prefer the electric, but a $700 Ping battery was just too big a pill to swallow at the time.

The Honda/Subaru 4-strokes are expensive, but worth it, yet...when someone who is short of money sees the Chinese 2-strokes, and they already own a beach-cruiser...
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby Uncle Ron » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:20 am

knoxie wrote::lol: hey uncle Ron are you sure you are not the British comedian Alexei Sayle?


Knoxie,

Ha, being a mature gent is a bitch. When I was young the comparison was to John Lennon. Now I'm a comic. Boohoo! (g)
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby dingoEsride » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:48 am

knoxie wrote::lol: hey uncle Ron are you sure you are not the British comedian Alexei Sayle? do a Google image search! separated at birth if not :P


I remember him from the Young Ones, a very funny series, is he still around?
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby knoxie » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:34 am

Oh yes he is still about, he shows up from time to time on the tele, he used to live about 5 miles from me in a village called moreton pinkney, used to see him out and about in an old e-type jag, very funny man indeed 8)
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby Gordo » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:07 pm

knoxie wrote:Oh yes he is still about, he shows up from time to time on the tele, he used to live about 5 miles from me in a village called moreton pinkney, used to see him out and about in an old e-type jag, very funny man indeed 8)


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Just found Mrs. Brown on Utube with a couple of good skit. Do you have any guidance?
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby knoxie » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:23 pm

Well ha ha I can heartily recommend Lee Mack, his first DVD here is so worth a watch its amazing http://youtu.be/bxg8hAmRdpQ not wishing to hijack this thread though so back to normal business from now on, any more videos posted from the race? Luke did you post up you pictures and any video?
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby spinningmagnets » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:22 am

We are starving for British Humour out here in the Colony


Try Hulu, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised...
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby sk8norcal » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:11 am

Paul Daniels, a Battery Guru at Brammo, recently won the EBRR with his homemade e-bike! The EBRR is a motorized bicycle racing event. Most of the bikes that raced were gas powered. There were some other battery powered bikes that raced, but most of them experienced technical difficulties or crashed.

The "Moped Class" electric machine that Paul created and raced used about 3500 watts of power (4 hp) The bike’s lightweight design seemed to be the key factor to Paul's first place prize. Rider skill is also a big part of this sport. Paul is that guy in the office who would pedal to work even if the four horsemen were galloping over the horizon.

Here’s the video of the race captured from the 3rd place finisher. The 2nd and 3rd place winners were running “high power” (10+ hp) gasoline engined mopeds:


http://www.brammo.com/blogs/general/bra ... wins-ebrr/



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Postby TylerDurden » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:42 am

EBRR... :lol:
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby Hyena » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:04 am

sk8norcal wrote:Paul Daniels, a Battery Guru at Brammo

Wait a minute, did we know that Paul worked for Brammo ? I think he neglected to mention that :P
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby Thud » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:41 am

I don't think their employers Knew they were are out chasing their own E-dreams on the race track till it was over.
I only met PaulD at the race & was impressed with his clean exicuted bike build...I wonder if he would have brought a brammo if he thought it could run in the race?

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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby PaulD » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:06 am

Hmm, well, so much for keeping a low profile on the forums... A few of the guys that I work with knew what I was up to before the race, but it was a project that was completely separate from work (except for the cells that they let me salvage for my packs).
If we truly go no-rules for future races, I could probably slap some pedals on a stripped-down Enertia, but that would take the fun out of it! I was cool to meet LFP, and I didn't know who he worked for until we got talking at the race...
Oh, and our marketing director that posted that up doesn't know the whole history behind Safe and the "EBRR"...
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby Tiberius » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:13 pm

Now this is getting weird. There is a British comedian called Paul Daniels.

OK, he is officially a magician, but it was always more of a variety act than straight magic.

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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby PaulD » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:51 pm

Abracadabra, holmes. :wink:
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby Tiberius » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:57 pm

Electricity, my dear Watson
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Re: Tucson Death Race 2011 roll call. Results on page 1

Postby johnrobholmes » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:06 pm

You rang?
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