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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby Tiverion » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:06 am

Just popped into the local Giant dealer and found an interesting saddle. Checked their web site and found lots of saddles with big holes in the right place.

Check out Flow 1, Luxe 2, Venture 4, and Silk 3. I'm definitely going to look closer.

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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby veloman » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:55 am

My roadie saddle (Fizik Aliante) with padded bike shorts is comfortable, but it's partly because I stand often. For an ebike, it would definitely not work.

That Adamo saddle looks good, but it is hard as heck on your sit bones, not much padding. Good for time trialing on a road bike with bike shorts, and that is it.

Just make sure you aren't in discomfort whatever you ride, you should be fine if you aren't hurting or numb.
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby veloman » Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:10 am

auraslip wrote:I don't think he is saying people are stupid, or care more about looks than function. People honestly don't have the resources to make an informed decision about saddles. They want what every one else has because, well, everyone else including the pros have it, so it must work for them. Of course we all know about the sacrifices cyclists make in competing.




I've been a roadie for 12 years, take a look at my legs, they look quite normal, except for being more muscular than average, yet skinny, and I also don't need to shave my legs. I am not a pro, though I understand the sport well and have raced competively as an amatuer. I've rarely ever heard about fellow riders having issues with their saddles. We seem to find what works and it's not an issue. Nearly everyone rides traditional saddles. I think the Adamo saddles are a good direction to move, though I think the road ones are too hard and need more cushion. Otherwise, yes, they are superior.
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby 999zip999 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:41 am

Auraslip or someone else WTF is going on with that leg short you posted earlier ?
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby veloman » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:21 pm

What's the most comfortable saddle in the picture?

I will be selling the ISM Century saddle. It still gave me issues, on soft tisse. The soft cutout saddle in back was what I was riding for a while, but that wasn't working either.

The white Kona saddle was great today, felt perfect, like it really support my tailbones and no other stuff. Perhaps it's because I angled it further down than the other two? Angle seems to be a huge factor. Angle your saddles nose down!
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby Solcar » Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:00 pm

veloman wrote:What's the most comfortable saddle in the picture?

I will be selling the ISM Century saddle. It still gave me issues, on soft tisse. The soft cutout saddle in back was what I was riding for a while, but that wasn't working either.

The white Kona saddle was great today, felt perfect, like it really support my tailbones and no other stuff. Perhaps it's because I angled it further down than the other two? Angle seems to be a huge factor. Angle your saddles nose down!


That reminds me that was the key for comfort when I was adjusting seat position.
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby LI-ghtcycle » Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:38 pm

You can all talk about all the various penial torture devices you refer to as "saddles" or "seats" and I will continue to breeze on by on my floating cloud of comfort, no neck, back, arm, hand shoulder or anything else soreness even after a long hard day of riding in the sun. 8)

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You can talk to me all you want about being "too low" or "too scary" but until you actually ride one, and realize that half of those objections are just myths and unfounded fears of the unknown, (or you're just riding a extreme low-racer) I will continue to smile quietly and shake my head, and THANK Rassy once again for enlightening me and showing me the way to true comfort (enlightenment .. OOOOMMMM! :mrgreen: .

And if you're not convinced after riding one of the more up-right recumbent bicycles, try a Rans Crank-Forward type bike.

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All this discussion of how to make one of the ancient torture devices attached to your bikes less torturous will be gone from your mind. :wink:
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby sn0wchyld » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:43 pm

LI-ghtcycle wrote:You can all talk about all the various penial torture devices you refer to as "saddles" or "seats" and I will continue to breeze on by on my floating cloud of comfort, no neck, back, arm, hand shoulder or anything else soreness even after a long hard day of riding in the sun. 8)

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All this discussion of how to make one of the ancient torture devices attached to your bikes less torturous will be gone from your mind. :wink:



untill you try and ride that monstrosity down a trail like this... :P
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ill choose my ball tearer over your lawn chair anyday! :twisted:
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby veloman » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:08 pm

One day I will have a nice low racer recumbent. I've tried an easy high racer and mid racer at Easy Street Recumbents here in Austin TX. The were super comfy, and the low bike felt fast once up to speed.

Unfortunetely, I just don't feel safe enough on them in this car world. If I had bikeways around here, then I'd have a ball hauling ass on a lowracer with no worries.

There is one guy here who rides a lowracer velomobile, yellow in color. I've seen him on the busiest streets, and he is certainly not hard to miss. People have said to me that they thought he had a motor since it goes so fast.

Once I get a full suspension mtn bike to transfer the electric stuff too, I'll be very comfortable.
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby LI-ghtcycle » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:21 pm

sn0wchyld wrote:
untill you try and ride that monstrosity down a trail like this... :P
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ill choose my ball tearer over your lawn chair anyday! :twisted:


Oh my mistake, I guess you prefer pain, I prefer an off-road recumbent!

I must say you are the first I have met to prefer a ball breaker over a bike that won't keep you from riding due to pain. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlgtut4d ... re=related

I'm talking Montana off road too! Some of the steepest mountain terrain you can find around in the Rockies. :twisted:

I'll be be in perfect comfort going down hill over trees (logs) and 2 - 3ft drops on a Lightfoot Cycles Big Foot. 8)
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby Samd » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:42 am

The recumbents are persistent in pointing out the spreading of the load across a wider acreage.
Perhaps one of these would also achieve some extra softening when hitting the bumps? Anyone tried one in conjunction with a butt friendly seat?
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby LI-ghtcycle » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:48 am

Samd wrote:The recumbents are persistent in pointing out the spreading of the load across a wider acreage.
Perhaps one of these would also achieve some extra softening when hitting the bumps? Anyone tried one in conjunction with a butt friendly seat?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Satori-Alloy-Bicycle-SUSPENSION-Seat-Post-350-27-2-/150576323987?pt=AU_Sport_Cycling_Parts&hash=item230f0c5d93

Perhaps it might make all the 'differens'.


Ooo! It's penial pogo stick! :lol:

All in good fun, but honestly if your sitting on your sack, you just aren't using the right saddle. :wink:

A friend of mine has had great luck with a brooks saddle with that area of it cut out like this:

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I use a brooks B72, and set at the correct angle, and all things equal, it won't be putting too much pressure in that area if you have the right saddle.

That being said, my butt is still pretty sore after 60 miles of riding on it, but on the recumbent I'm still perfectly comfortable. (My legs are tired, but nothing else is sore. :wink: )
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby sn0wchyld » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:53 am

LI-ghtcycle wrote:
sn0wchyld wrote:
untill you try and ride that monstrosity down a trail like this... :P
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ill choose my ball tearer over your lawn chair anyday! :twisted:


Oh my mistake, I guess you prefer pain, I prefer an off-road recumbent!

I must say you are the first I have met to prefer a ball breaker over a bike that won't keep you from riding due to pain. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlgtut4d ... re=related

I'm talking Montana off road too! Some of the steepest mountain terrain you can find around in the Rockies. :twisted:

I'll be be in perfect comfort going down hill over trees (logs) and 2 - 3ft drops on a Lightfoot Cycles Big Foot. 8)



HA that thing is brilliant, imagine that with a 5404 in the rear wheel! its like the monster truck of the bike world.

I wouldnt have thought a offroad recumbent would be as capable/agile as a regular bike though...
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby Samd » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:57 am

You're not just sitting on your sack. You're sitting on your 'fact' (that bit between the two exit holes). I thought my question made sense....
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby AussieJester » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:34 am

Samd wrote:You're not just sitting on your sack. You're sitting on your 'fact' (that bit between the two exit holes). I thought my question made sense....


That be the Gooch :-P

I wouldn't mind riding whats riding the recumbent LI-ghtcycle posted above
as for riding the recumbent i dont have big enough aero belly and
beard as yet :mrgreen: ....maybe when/if i am 80 i will get one...pedal forward bikes
though are comfy... :wink:

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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby LI-ghtcycle » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:55 am

sn0wchyld wrote:
LI-ghtcycle wrote:
sn0wchyld wrote:
untill you try and ride that monstrosity down a trail like this... :P
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ill choose my ball tearer over your lawn chair anyday! :twisted:


Oh my mistake, I guess you prefer pain, I prefer an off-road recumbent!

I must say you are the first I have met to prefer a ball breaker over a bike that won't keep you from riding due to pain. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlgtut4d ... re=related

I'm talking Montana off road too! Some of the steepest mountain terrain you can find around in the Rockies. :twisted:

I'll be be in perfect comfort going down hill over trees (logs) and 2 - 3ft drops on a Lightfoot Cycles Big Foot. 8)



HA that thing is brilliant, imagine that with a 5404 in the rear wheel! its like the monster truck of the bike world.

I wouldnt have thought a offroad recumbent would be as capable/agile as a regular bike though...


Yeah, they are pretty impressive, but if you're riding at speed doing a race or highly technical off-road, you really can't beat an up-right for body english to make things work or tricks, but it's amazing what some recumbent riders can do!

There is a great video of one rider going up-hill too, but I couldn't find it. :?
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby LI-ghtcycle » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:58 am

AussieJester wrote:
Samd wrote:You're not just sitting on your sack. You're sitting on your 'fact' (that bit between the two exit holes). I thought my question made sense....


That be the Gooch :-P

I wouldn't mind riding whats riding the recumbent LI-ghtcycle posted above
as for riding the recumbent i dont have big enough aero belly and
beard as yet :mrgreen: ....maybe when/if i am 80 i will get one...pedal forward bikes
though are comfy... :wink:

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Um you're dicks-lexic!

The title says "You're sitting on your penis", not "who's sitting on your penis" ! :oops: :P :lol:

And yes, she's pretty cute! :mrgreen:
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby AussieJester » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:11 am

^^ROFLMFAO....HAHA @ "dicks-lexic! " thats me, little
head always doing the thinkin' LoL

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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby docnjoj » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:16 am

Here is what the Europeans do with recumbents like my trike!
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby LI-ghtcycle » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:02 pm

docnjoj wrote:Here is what the Europeans do with recumbents like my trike!
otherDoc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh47ubjZ ... _embedded#!


WOW that looks like fun! :D
Thank you Justin_Le for your selfless act of kindness! We all are in your debt.

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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby docnjoj » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:17 pm

That's 'cause they are crazy! I think that is a luge or bobsled run in winter.
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby corkscrew » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:11 pm

This is why my main commuter/pedal bike has a Brooks Imperial on it.

Also why the main electric bike is a recumbent trike.
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby veloman » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:47 pm

I"m not sure I want to catch air while laying in a recumbent position. The course does look fun though.
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby Samd » Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:26 pm

LI-ghtcycle wrote:
AussieJester wrote:
Samd wrote:You're not just sitting on your sack. You're sitting on your 'fact' (that bit between the two exit holes). I thought my question made sense....


That be the Gooch :-P

I wouldn't mind riding whats riding the recumbent LI-ghtcycle posted above
as for riding the recumbent i dont have big enough aero belly and
beard as yet :mrgreen: ....maybe when/if i am 80 i will get one...pedal forward bikes
though are comfy... :wink:

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Gooch? It's called a "Fact" because it's "the bit between the f*ckhole and the muckhole, and if you miss you're in the sh*t, and that's a fact!"
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Re: You're sitting on your penis

Postby Kris B Krunch » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:08 am

I just ordered a Adamo Typhoon sadle, not a bad deal on ebay, I'll post my results after I recieve it and test it for a while.

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