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[sk8norcal]

^ that one does not lean,

these are delta leaners that are Chinese made AFAIK...
http://tiltingvehicles.blogspot.com/201 ... e-690.html
http://tiltingvehicles.blogspot.com/201 ... otors.html (korean)
http://tiltingvehicles.blogspot.com/200 ... omoto.html

[sk8norcal]

after staring at that pic,
I don't think the front wheels tilt.....
hard to say, they need to put up a video,
how to they expect to sell a $2000 tilting trike with two small pics ??
I would wait for someone to review it before buying...
I will call the US dealer, he's actually in the sf bay area
http://www.ebkit.com/contact.htm

[sk8norcal]

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[bluesrocks]

after staring at that pic,
I don't think the front wheels tilt.....
hard to say, they need to put up a video,
how to they expect to sell a $2000 tilting trike with two small pics ??
I would wait for someone to review it before buying...
I will call the US dealer, he's actually in the sf bay area
http://www.ebkit.com/contact.htm

I could be mistaken, but I find the pic quite clear that it's all wheel lean and looking similar to the front end of most any quad ATV, which I believe is essentially a 4 bar (parallelogram) mechanism. Usually there is one 4-bar mechanism for each wheel to additionally provide independent suspension.

I am in full agreement that they are too light on the documentation for the all wheel tilting trike. No video, only two pics. I'm not even sure if it has rear suspension or not, I doubt it, but that would be cool if it did. Wow, so the dealer is in San Fran. At least they are in USA! If you would, let me know which trikes they offer in stock, or what is the waiting time before delivery..

The video
Love it, great detail and point of view. Looks like a very good and simple way to provide independent suspension of each wheel while simultaneously providing all wheel lean.

[sk8norcal]

if I am understanding you correctly,
you can not just chop off the rear of a quad and replace it with a single wheel, and expect it to tilt.

you would just get a non tilting reverse trike.
correct?


from what i can see that cyclone full suspension trike got the lean linked to the steering, with non-leaning front wheels.
just like that cyclone video I posted....

[bluesrocks]

if I am understanding you correctly,
you can not just chop off the rear of a quad and replace it with a single wheel, and expect it to tilt.

you would just get a non tilting reverse trike.
correct?

Each front tire has huge suspension travel and there are no rear tires to keep the new trike upright anymore. I'm assuming both are essentially a 4 bar parallelogram mechanism. Maybe that's the source of our different perspectives. Maybe I'm not being graphic enough. I'm going to need to make a drawing...

No "chopping", LOL, carefully remove the two rear wheels and the axle which secures them all together, and solidly replace all that with a single wheel rear end, like that of a motorcycle/moped/bicycle. I'm not saying it would automatically be setup properly with no need to make adjustments once constructed. Im simply talking about the ability to perform all wheel lean from two "A" type swing arm (approximately 4-bar parallelogram) mechanism. The same mechanism that makes wheels stay (roughly) parallel to the body during full suspension travel, is the same reason all wheel tilting trikes lean, both mechanisms do the same thing, they keep the wheels parallel to the body regardless of suspension travel/body lean.

hypothetical
Put a pair of wheels behind a leaning trike, and presto gizmo, the front tires cease leaning.

[sk8norcal]

you need to lean without compressing/uncompressing the springs...

[bluesrocks]

Good point, it seems that the tilting effect may be compromised if the sprung suspension force is too great.
They have a rugged model that is NOT in stock, but they say should arrive in 2-3 weeks. The sales rep text me saying that it TILTS! He thought it might be around 3' wide. A bit wide for my taste.

This from scooer depot $1,659USA 49cc and disc brakes.

[sk8norcal]

yes I noticed that one already, a Ruckus clone...
you can tell it tilts by looking the suspension parts, similar to the Sunny.

actually, all their reverse trikes are tilters.
http://www.scooterdepot.us/trike-3-whee ... c-344.html

[bluesrocks]

I also figure all their reverse trikes (tadpole) are leaning as you noted, the front suspension is quite similar to the other one that clearly all-wheel leans. They showed a video of that one trike leaning, but to my knowledge have released NOTHING about these other trikes leaning (text, pics, vids, etc), which makes me wonder how could they build and be ready to sell a leaning trike, yet withhold any clear admission of that arguably "new improved" feature. It seems that all wheel leaning corrects the longstanding cornering handling problems of trikes.

However, I did hear by way of that floating service attendant window (at saferwearhouse but I think scooterdepot has them too) using text to answer questions. So I asked if the ruckus style 50cc trike was a leaner like the other model ,,,A instead of ,,,C and they guy right away said yes, the wheels all lean together like that other trike does. I pressed for some sort of verification, so I asked about how it operates/feels when you come to a stop, specifically, when temporarily stopping, do you need to put your foot down to keep from falling to one side or the other, or does it tend to stay upright at a stop without needing to put a foot down? He said it kinda leans when stopped but it wont fall over. He also said they do NOT have them in stock, but the shipment usually takes 2-3weeks, probably closer to 2 weeks.

[sk8norcal]

that shows how sketchy these online vendors are.

btw, they are not the manufacturer, just a distributor
these things are made in china,
these guys just slap their name on it.
scooter not available in their warehouse gets drop-shipped.

read their not-so-glowing reviews here,
http://scooterdoc.proboards.com/index.c ... hread=4084

check scootdawg also, that forum focuses on Chinese scooters.
http://scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cg ... read=40444

No matter who you buy it from it still is shipped from Sunny Sports or scooter depot who is the importer of them. (I Believe?)

[sk8norcal]

[sk8norcal]