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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby BATFINK » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:24 pm

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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:05 pm

BATFINK wrote:Hello gensem, can you tell me what voltage that electric horn is? is it just a standard 12 motorcycle horn? did you use some sort of converter to step the voltage down for it or are you running a separate battery for the horn? I have 48 Volt battery pack is there any electric horns that will work on that voltage?
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The horn is 12v, but you might find a 48v horn... im using a DC-DC converter, I think it is rated for 36-90v to 12v I ll search for the ebay seller and post it later.
Either way I would still use a DC-DC converter to have the flexibility to plug alot more devices.
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby Racer_X » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:38 pm

Gensem, I am also looking for one of those DC-DC converter
im using a DC-DC converter, I think it is rated for 36-90v to 12v

Don't forget to post that link.

By the way I have been following your build and getting alot of inspiration, Great job so far and thanks for sharing your knowledge.

EDIT* Could it be this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-Golf-Converter-72V-60V-48V-36V-30V-12V-10A-120W-/250829288024?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a66973258#ht_3378wt_1270
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:13 pm

Im using this one with 24s lipo charged to 4.1v (98v) and its still alive, im gessing the internal are 100v and its waterproof, small and light.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-DC-Converter ... 45fcb7e9f0
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby BATFINK » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:26 pm

Thanks I've just ordered the convertor
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:21 pm

Battery box is ready! (and its completely removable now)
24s 2p using 8000mah Zippys

Looks so sexy, many many thanks for the help Oatnet!
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:35 pm

Another small update before the gran finale (hoping)...
I just burned my foot with the soldering iron... stepped on it, taking a break from work now and to post another pic.

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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby shock » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:33 am

Nice build you got going here! Pretty stealthy for a high power build.

A question, how did you get the falcon EV logo blacked out on the triangle bag? I was thinking about "sharpieing" mine, but yours looks pro, so I thought i'd ask.
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:37 am

Hehe...
i just used a matte black spray paint for the time being.... but ll try to remove it with a razor or scarpel later.
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby GCinDC » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:54 am

gensem wrote:I just burned my foot with the soldering iron... stepped on it, taking a break from work now

pic or it didn't happen. :mrgreen:
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby Accountant » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:09 am

I just burned my foot with the soldering iron... stepped on it, taking a break from work now


This sport is very dangerous.

Please make some movies once you get healthy again.
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:12 am

Accountant wrote:I just burned my foot with the soldering iron... stepped on it, taking a break from work now


This sport is very dangerous.

Please make some movies once you get healthy again.



Im fine Vladimir, its was a 30w soldering iron so the burn was not deep. ll do the videos as soons as the lyen 18fet arrive, I have a gopro waiting.
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:29 pm

Dont you just love when a HK power supply fails on you in under a week? hopefully I had a ATX power supply thats going to save my weekend tests.

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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:58 pm

Was testing the bicycle in a steep street and it stopped working... im guessing the 12 fet controller was no able hold itself during the climb
After the problem CA displays 12kw of power being used when I turn the controller on and thats without any throttle input, any possible hint or what component to looks first when I open the controller?
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:52 am



im still clueless at what failed inside the controller
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby fabiograssi » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:18 am

Very nice ride, Gensem!

I had the impression that your setup has plenty of power to use on the streets with safety. A real sad thing the controller fail. I saw that you checked the controller temperature in some point of your ride... How hot it was?
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby Accountant » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:16 am

THX for video, sorry about controller.

Hope that 18 fet Lyen will be much better.
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby GCinDC » Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:24 am

gensem wrote:im still clueless at what failed inside the controller.

nice vid. :P

did you open the controller? if caps are blown, there may be liquid inside case. if fets blown, there may be burn marks around FET legs... my controllers sometimes get so hot that solder inside melts and shorts something, often the CA speed wire that is soldered to the top of the shunt...

does the CA come on when power is connected?

a lyen ebike tester is very handy, especially for troubleshooting hall/phase wire problems.
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:30 am

fabiograssi wrote:Very nice ride, Gensem!

I had the impression that your setup has plenty of power to use on the streets with safety. A real sad thing the controller fail. I saw that you checked the controller temperature in some point of your ride... How hot it was?


Controller was not even hot to the touch... I have a fan running inside the bag.
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:56 am

GCinDC wrote:
gensem wrote:im still clueless at what failed inside the controller.

nice vid. :P

did you open the controller? if caps are blown, there may be liquid inside case. if fets blown, there may be burn marks around FET legs... my controllers sometimes get so hot that solder inside melts and shorts something, often the CA speed wire that is soldered to the top of the shunt...

does the CA come on when power is connected?

a lyen ebike tester is very handy, especially for troubleshooting hall/phase wire problems.
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Im yet to test it but it wasnt supposed to be hot...
I have activr cooling and was pushing only 5kw maybe less.
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby GCinDC » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:23 am

gensem wrote:After the problem CA displays 12kw of power being used when I turn the controller on and thats without any throttle input, any possible hint or what component to looks first when I open the controller?

i've seen apparent Amps/Mph activity on controller at rest when the CA speed wire has fallen off the place where it was soldered to the top of the shunt... i know i have pics in my GT thread but couldn't find them.. :lol:

open the controller!
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby GCinDC » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:36 am

argh, i finally found it. some fun riding. then up looonnnng hill. then at 1:03 the power dies, and closeup of inside the controller..
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:20 pm

im working atm, but ll do went I get back home.
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby gensem » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:48 pm

Controller looks perfect from inside, but the rshunt was very hot for sure( and the yellow wire got loose)... look at the picture.

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Would the yellow speedo* cable make the controller cut the power?


Btw can I just add alot of solder to the shut so it doesnt overheat as easy? Or should I just repair the wire?


Thanks to for the tip GC, it was spot on!
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Re: New frame + Lipo

Postby chroot » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:00 pm

Bingo, Just like GCinDC's controller and do the soldering yellow wire to shunt then your controller will back alive again! :lol:


No need put lot solder on wire+shunt, Just strip 1" yellow wire and hugging the rshunt then solder it. It helps secure.
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