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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby smudger1956 » Thu May 10, 2012 7:52 pm

Looking good kudos, like the Satin Black finish.
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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Fri May 11, 2012 12:41 am

Thanks smudger, just checked out your build thread, ours will be very similar I can see.

Where did you get your drain pipe from?

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby smudger1956 » Fri May 11, 2012 12:55 am

kudos wrote:Thanks smudger, just checked out your build thread, ours will be very similar I can see.

Where did you get your drain pipe from?

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It is ventilation ducting, found it at B&Q, its pretty universal stuff so sourcing should not be too much of a problem.
A link about the product - http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/FD40100.html

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Mon May 14, 2012 3:31 pm

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Mon May 21, 2012 2:19 pm

Well, after weeks of looking for the perfect headset I finally found what I was looking for, a crank brothers opium c direct set in black with a red topcap.

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The site i bought it from stated it is sized 1 1/8.

So then imagine my surprise when this turns up:

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The smaller one is the cane creek 1 1/8 I took off my frame originally.

The bigger one is the opium c.

So after much searching and measuring, it turns out this is the reducer version presumably for a tapered steerer which is 1 1/8 at the top and 1.5 inch at the bottom. The straight 1 1/8 is only available in silver, no good.

If this weren't annoying enough, the headset came without any seals, I got on the phone to the supplier who has sent me another one, but I only found out about the sizing issue after the no-seal issue.

So soon I will have two headsets I can't use :?

The never ending failures of bicycle part suppliers, I've never known anything like it......

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Wed May 23, 2012 2:07 pm

Kore comfort saddle turned up today after a two month wait. The t-rail is silver so I sprayed it black.

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Ordered a Chris King headset today, supposed to be the best.......

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Sat May 26, 2012 5:25 am

OK I have a question for you expert bike builders out there....

I got my Chris King headset and I'm trying to determine the best way to install it on my frame.

I bought a headset press, I've just ordered headset press adapters which are required to install this type of headset.

My question is about reaming and facing the head tube and if I need to have this done.

The frame came to me with a Cane Creek headset installed, which I then removed. It was in pretty tight but it's the first one I've ever removed one so I don't know what's 'normal'.

I have measured the width of the Cane Creek cup and it's 34.05mm, I then measured the Chris King and it's exactly 34.00mm so half a millimetre smaller.

The fitting instructions say the head tube should be reamed and faced to 39.9mm, I would have to have this done at a pro bike shop, but I'm wondering if I actually need to do this seeing as I know a slightly larger headset already fits?

It would be a bit disappointing after having bought all the tools I end up asking a bike shop to fit it for me, however, as they say, if it's worth doing its worth doing right.

Any help/advice much appreciated...

EDIT : I think I answered my own question with my last truism. I gave the bike shop a ring turns out reaming and facing is a quick and easy job. 10 quid and an hour later and my headset is installed.

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby Xanda2260 » Sun May 27, 2012 11:39 am

Wouldn't worry about the primer stalls. Letting it cure for ages just makes it harder, so more scratch resistant. I'm sure it'll be fine :-)

Keep up the good work!

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby 3nslav3 » Tue May 29, 2012 9:39 am

Subscribed! :wink:

This is also going to be a clean build!

about the 888 fork => it indeed has markings on it ;) but there is a maximum distance between the 2 crowns so you might need spacers (depending on witch type of 888 (model, year)) manuals should be available on the marzocchi site

another thing that might be important: don't put a 200mm travel fork on a frame that is made to hold a max of 80mm - 160mm travel fork, (I have no idea if your frame can handle such a fork)
there is a chance that the head tube breaks under stress due to a to large head angle, you better look up the specs of it
just a safetytip :wink:
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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Tue May 29, 2012 10:21 am

3nslav,

You make a good point, the specs for the frame do say a max of 160mm travel fork, however, I had a look around and it seems many people run beyond the standard tech specs.

I'm not intending on doing an extreme downhill or anything, this will just be used on the road 99% of the time. However, I would be interested in other opinions on this.

I wanted to use a double crown fork like 888, but if it's really not safe to do so I'll have to reluctantly use a standard fork ... :cry:


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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby 3nslav3 » Tue May 29, 2012 10:37 am

I would recommend you a rock shox sektor ;)

I also own one (140mm travel 9mm axle) very pleased by it! before that I had a Reba for 4 years and it never failed on me (air fork), it made me a rock shox fan :P

the sektor is also available in 150mm version with 9mm axle, 15mm axle, 20mm axle and they all have adjustable ridehight (2 positions for the coil version, no idea for the air version)

I personally wouldn't put a 200mm fork on a frame that is made for a 160mm max fork (and the bike will look like it would be riding uphill all the time)
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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Wed May 30, 2012 6:45 am

Hmm, the 2008 and 2009 Marz 888 ATA have adjustable travel 160 - 200.

Seem to be pretty hard to find this for sale though.....

Anyone know where I might pick these up?

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:18 am

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Well my 55's finally turned up.

The never ending failure of bike parts suppliers: ordered with 48 hour delivery, turned up TWO WEEKS later :evil:

Considering removing the decals for that all-black look.......

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby 3nslav3 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:48 am

Perfect!!! this will badass :twisted:
this fork should be able to take a load of beating ;)

I'm glad you didn't go for a 888 ATA WC from 2008 / 2009 , I used to own 1 of these when I was doing some downhilling a few years back and they are cr*p,
leaking air cilinder after a flat drop, buttons that broke off, they need a load of servicing :( once it start to give problems, it will never end until you trash it
but the 55 is perfect! :D

where did you order it from?
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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:58 am

ChainReactionCycles.

To be fair it's the first order they messed up. There was problem with the address they put on the original order so it got sent back to them. This combined with the bank holidays and weekends meant it took forever to get to me.

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:57 am

Ok, Can someone tell me how I should go about setting up the bike for my size etc.

I'm currently thinking, set the seat height first so I can touch the ground when still sitting on the saddle, though one foot or two ?

Then I need to decide if I need an extended stem/handlebar with risers etc.

I could just see what feels comfortable, but if there's a guide I could follow it would be useful.

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:46 am

Can anyone help please, I just received my Shimano 105 5700 53T crankset and tried to install it on my bike but it doesn't fit :evil:

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A bit difficult to see but the outer 53t chain ring fouls against the bearing for the swingarm if I try to push it all the way in.

What is left on the other side:

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This isn't enough spline to attach the pedal because the splines on the inside of the pedal dont start at the edge:

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I don't know what I've done wrong, I presumed I could install pretty much install any crankset, but maybe there is a limit to the outer chainring size I can use with this frame?

Looking at Mountain Cycle's site, there were two suggested specs for building up the bike and the cranks listed were SRAM 1400 2x10 and Aerozine X-12, having checked these it would appear the largest tooth count is 42T on both. Can I take from this that I cannot use a crank with greater than 42T ?????

Is there any way I can get my current crankset to work in this situation???

Any help gratefully received !
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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby winkinatcha » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:46 am

Hey Kudos,

I've been trying to find a reasonable guide to setting up a bike to fit your size on the web, to no avail... having watched a couple of high-level bike mechanics fit bikes to people I think their is an art as well as science to it, and even what you are using the bike for is highly relevant.

Anyways, I did find this some time back and found it an informative read on generally what you want, ergonomically...

http://www.junik-hpv.de/assets/download ... People.pdf

that being said...

I am fairly tall (185cm) with long legs. I find when I am relying on my legs and human power as part of the electric bike mix, that I prefer to have my leg Almost fully extended, from arse to pedal (not extended to lockout of the knee, maybe 5 degrees off) so I can get consistant grinding power out of my legs, and I'll just pop of the saddle and ride the pedals if I really want to power, or if I want to use my legs as shock absorbers going over bumpy ground.

This basically means that seated and stationary, I can touch the ground on one side on tip toe.

I find this seat height no problem for light MTB type stuff as well, BUT if you are going to be doing fairly hard core Mountain biking, you probably want the seat a bit lower, not so much for pedal power but control so you can get your weight more over the back wheel, if going downhill or jumping n such.

Personally, I tried to set a bike up so that I am lightly grasping the handlebars, in a standard riding position, without having to lean down on my arms or pull back on the bars to be comfortable.

If I am going road-oriented, I want the bars lower so I can reduce my wind profile, if I am going off-road I prefer the bars higher so I can throw the bike around more...

But anyways, I think... pedal power, .. look to how extended your legs are and adjust for that, for comfort/ergonomics, ensure weight is more on arse than wrists. this may mean adjusting headset.

Hope that helps

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:00 am

Thanks for your input Joe appreciated.

There are so many variables I think it's always going to be a case of fine tuning after the event.

I've given up on the large 52T chainring, it's not going to fit, I've just ordered a Shimano Saint single speed 42T
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=12907

I hope this fits, these parts are expensive!

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby winkinatcha » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:17 am

Mate, when this build is finished it will be truly Beautiful :)
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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby HombreNeuvoElectro » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:43 am

Kudos, great build

Like those wheels, did you build them yourself? What guage spokes and hubs?

I see you could not get the larger cranks installed but will a 42T not dramatically reduced the speed at which you can have meaningful peddle input?
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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:40 am

winkinatcha wrote:Mate, when this build is finished it will be truly Beautiful :)


Thanks ! It's been a long slog so far and still a long way to go, trying to enjoy the journey....

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:48 am

HombreNeuvoElectro wrote:Kudos, great build

Like those wheels, did you build them yourself? What guage spokes and hubs?

I see you could not get the larger cranks installed but will a 42T not dramatically reduced the speed at which you can have meaningful peddle input?


I wouldn't have a clue how to make a wheel I'm afraid, bought the wheel ready built from a supplier:

These Halo SAS wheels look bombproof.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/halo-sas-pro-26 ... mtb-wheel/

They have really cool hubs which are hybrid quick release and 20mm axle.

Yes 42T will have a massive effect but I don't have much choice with this frame. If the Saint unit fits OK, I might also try something larger like a 45T, even though that will probably mean changing the BB aswell.

I'm just going to pedal less by the look of it!

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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby Cargo_Tom » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:43 am

Looking great so far mate :)

Do get rid of as many decals as possible, A bike looks much better without them, in my opinion.
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Re: Kudos Build II

Postby kudos » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:39 am

Cargo_Tom wrote:Looking great so far mate :)

Do get rid of as many decals as possible, A bike looks much better without them, in my opinion.
-Tom


I agree, although I don't know the best way to get the decals off, mayabe I could just use a hairdryer to heat them up then try peeling them off.

I might even paint the steatpost all black too!

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