Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby docnjoj » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:14 am

voicecoils wrote:My metal gears from Keywin arrived today at work.

None of them spin smoothly. Varying degrees of 'lumpyness' when spun. Each have enough friction to stop almost as soon as my finger spins them around.

May have to look into pressing in new sealed bearings, not a complete deal breaker though :?

I'll pop them in tonight.

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Do U heat your gears and freezr the bearings or just put them in straight?
I have a different set I need to do, not Bafang!
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby fechter » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:01 am

I wouldn't worry too much about the bearing friction as the free spinning resistance is not a good indicator of resistance under load.

The gear tooth profile would worry me a bit more. I think if it is off by too much, it will make them very noisy. Should solve the stripping problem though.
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby Reid Welch » Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:33 pm

planetary spur gears. I started a new thread last night, not knowing then about this one.

In spur gearing, ALL of the load is carried by ONE tooth at a time.
Now, in the real world of newly installed gears, no matter how accurate the machining,
the spacing of the planet gear pinion posts is sooooo critical, that even C & C machining
cannot make the mere =three= gear teeth all shoulder their loads exactly the same:
in the new motor, ONE only, of the three plastic or metal teeth can shoulder the load.

Solutions: long, gentle, break in. The high points wear down quickly
Gear load then begins to "equalize" between the three.

Metal planets won't bust.
Soft nylon is NOT a suitable planet gear material for HD use.
Reinforced plastics, for just this purpose, have been manufactured since before 1920.
I believe Westinghouse was the first to introduce "silent" timing gears, for the intensely rough service
of replacing the noisy but bulletproof, cast iron, stock Model T half-speed (cam drive gear).

These gears were made of laminated layers of LINEN fabric, phenolic (bakelite) resin, impregnated,
intense pressure and then heat-cured. Nearly as strong as any metal, but noise-dampening, QUIET.

Eventually, in T service, even these gears, NOS or not, will fail. But T service of the non-metallic gear
is terrifically shock-y and the helical teeth (strongest form of gear tooth) eventually suffers fatigue.
One tooth bucks off, runs into the next tooth, snaps off that tooth: and your engine stops.

The new geared hub motors will get away from the use of non-reinforced "nylon".
They must!

And in any new geared hub motor: word to the wise: go very easy on it at first.
Because no matter how "perfectly" it is made, no way are all three gear teeth of the spur gears
gonna be carrying only one third of the total drive load; not until they've all "conformed" to local conditions.

Truth.
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby TPA » Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:33 pm

Reid Welch wrote:Truth.

Word!
My Ebike is built with a hub motor purchased from www.ebikes.ca
It has performed flawlessly since it was installed. I cannot
recommend the professional folks there enough.
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby voicecoils » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:11 am

I don't want to leave everyone without an update for too long :wink:

I've had the chance to replace the three nylon gears (it's actually a bit of a time consuming swap). Photos attached. The gears are solid little buggers. I've installed two of the well cut metal gears and took a file to one of the two gears with dodgy tooth cuts then installed it too. My circlips are starting to seriously bite the dust but I will look for some fresh ones soon.

I'll make a little youtube video of heavy metal bafang tomorrow (~18hrs from now). I ran it on my new truing stand today for a few seconds, it sounds a bit like a power drill now :twisted:
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby docnjoj » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:00 am

Hey Reid! I agree with most of what you said, but in this case arent the planet gear loads shared between the sun and ring gears. Shouldnt this help longevity?
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby voicecoils » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:26 pm

Regarding forces on this gear system, please see page 10 here:
http://www.asee.org/activities/organiza ... _paper.pdf

Two teeth / teeth roots of each planetary gear (at opposite ends) will bear the brunt of the forces. Similarly the posts the planetary gears are mounted on will experience a turning force on the post (what architects would call a cantilevered system).
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby voicecoils » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:37 am

For eyes and ears (videos as promised):
heavy metal bafang at 36v
heavy metal bafang at 72v

You may have to pause at the beginning and end of each to see the CA display. My point and shoot camera does not have the best autofocus.

Other bafang videos for audio comparison:
http://au.youtube.com/user/voicecoils

Cheers guys, can't wait to test it out on the road. It's dark already but I might make a night trip :D
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby docnjoj » Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:07 am

The higher speed/voltage seems to get the noise range into a quieter zone! Thats similar to the nylon ones! Cant wait for mine to try just 1 steel!
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby Reid Welch » Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:50 am

Just like fifteen million Model T's, metal gear-converted Bafangs: some will run like coffee mills and some will run rather quieter than that.

TIP: do as I did with my new eZee (plastic geared). FILL the housing partly with light motor oil (I used Mobil One SAE 20,
and ran for hours and hours, slowly enough to not churn the motor windings HARD with oil (which acts pretty ruff on windings and wire ties
at thousands of rpm).

Now, the eZee just happens to have a half dozen threaded hole, disk rotor mounts: perfect place to inject the temporary oil fill.

Presuming the Bafang has no such holes: you'd need to, while it's open, drill and tap the cover for a 6/32 (or other) small screw, to be your oil
fill-and-drain place. Make two such holes: one for fill and one for air-venting to allow drainage. Tip: one oil hol on the side, so you can drain whilst
the bike is laid on its side, and the other hole might be elsewhere.

Scenario: your newly metal geared Bafang. Install several ounces of light oil. Run unloaded for an hour.
DUMP the oil out into a clean, white plate. Look for metal sparklies (wear products of the new, soft, planet gears).

Refill and repeat. The noisy motor will run quieter, right off the bat (oil cushion).
With each run and drain, more sparkles (metal flake) will come out with the drainage.
Eventually, when the new planets are "worn in", metal generation will nearly cease.
The uneven "rrrr...rrrr...rrrrr" will eventually become more like a steady "rrrrrrrrrr" and softer in volume of sound.

Do not run the motor at super speeds with a full case of oil!
That would be so hard on the windings, ties, and hall sensor mounts
...liquids at high speeds act almost like solids.

Instead, leave your Bafang nearly empty of oil when it is in actual service: an ounce or two at most,
or "none" at all (the teeth of the outer, ring gear will stay "wet",
and so, wet the planets.

And at intervals, to clean out all wear products, re-fill the motor with fresh oil, run slow, and then instantly dump the contents.
Look for the sparkles. They will generate for an indefinitely long time, I predict, but, as the involutes gradually self-machine (polish),
the metal generation rate will diminish greatly.

Do not run metal to metal gearing with mere "grease". It won't work well long term: high speeds, and the grease gets "pushed out of the way":
dry metal gears will gall and make a super mess of themselves, etc.

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THIS IS AN EXPERIMENTAL TECHNIQUE. I CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DISASTERS.
I HAVE NO PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE OTHER THAN WITH MY YET-UNUSED eZEE MOTOR.
YOUR RESULTS WILL VARY.


OIL IS THE FIRST CHOICE FOR GEAR LUBRICATION.
THINK: AUTO transmissions. AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS: Other than for their need for special additives in ATF, due to their helical/sliding action teeth,
ATF -could work- for our need, EXCEPT that ATF may have a detergent, dissolution effect on any silicone-based Hall sensor adhesive.
THERE IS A RISK, that even plain, synthetic motor oil (or any motor oil) may, in time, de-anchor any glued-in Hall sensors. We don't know, not yet.

Oil oil oil. I know oil and break-in/wear in. Rrrrrrrr can become ummmmmmmm. That's our aim.
Be careful, take a risk, but don't blame me if you f anything in the doing of this new "new" trick: as old as gearing;] but new
to this new kind of hub motor.

Good luck must be made, not found like some lost penny.

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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby John in CR » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:36 pm

DON'T PUT OIL IN A BAFANG. The windings and sensor wires etc are tied with a paper-like string. I'm sure these will just disintegrate once saturated with oil. Then the wrong kind of bump, a wire moves and starts rubbing on a moving part and you're done. I love the idea of perfectly lubricating and wearing in the gears properly, just not with this motor. I think what's called for here is gentle run-in, clean and regrease.

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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby voicecoils » Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:11 pm

John in CR wrote:DON'T PUT OIL IN A BAFANG.... I think what's called for here is gentle run-in, clean and regrease.


That's the plan. The Bafang is not well sealed, it's also got no sealing between the gear reduction components and the motor itself.

I don't know how "gentle" I can force myself to be :twisted: :oops: but I will run it at 80V for a bit then open it up, clean out the moly grease and repack.

I think the steel is soft on the planetary gears and will be the sacrificial part of the system.
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby Knuckles » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:12 am

I just installed my new metal gear in my rear Bafang. Just 1-metal gear (from Keywin) as I suspect 1 will be enough.

Did some great on-road testing today (at 72V and 30A) and as expected the Bafang with 1-Metal and 2-Nylon did great. :D

Noise was minimal and there is actually a sweet spot over 20 MPH where the motor is very quite.
Bafang ran like a champ with 1-Metal gear. I think the days of peanut butter are OVER! 8)

voicecoils wrote:My circlips are starting to seriously bite the dust but I will look for some fresh ones soon.

btw. Just ask Keywin to send you a bunch. I have plenty here. The ring-clip tool I picked up from a local auto store makes life sooo much easier too.

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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby voicecoils » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:01 pm

Knuckles wrote:
voicecoils wrote:My circlips are starting to seriously bite the dust but I will look for some fresh ones soon.

btw. Just ask Keywin to send you a bunch. I have plenty here. The ring-clip tool I picked up from a local auto store makes life sooo much easier too.


Cool, I have access to a circlip tool fortunately. I'll see if Keywin can send me some. Were some of your gears poorly cut too?
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby Knuckles » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:38 pm

voicecoils wrote:Were some of your gears poorly cut too?

Keywin only sent me one metal gear (I only wanted one) and it looked fine to me. I did check the mesh with a virgin Nylon gear and I did notice that the metal tooth penetration was slightly less than the Nylon tooth penetration. Is that what you mean?

All in all it looked fine to me.

But I will try to destroy this rear Bafang motor if I can.

But GOSH! I live on FLAT Long Island. No monster hills to climb!

But I have also been running the rear PUMA w/ 1-Metal gear.
(I run every motor I have at 72V btw)

The Bafang has good torque. The PUMA has INSANE torque.
PUMA was a bit faster at top speed (still around 30 MPH).
But the rear PUMA SCREAMS fast from a dead stop! It really lifts the front of the bike up.
My guess is the Bafang does 1/3 the max torque of the PUMA.

Both motors are very good. I love them both! :D
The single metal gear makes the grade and is MANDATORY for any geared motor IMHO.
Bafang is the "baby" and PUMA is the "daddy".

Aren't TOYS FUN! :lol:

And also first snow fall here in NY. Had to do "donuts" out in the courtyard.
My ebike acts like a motorcycle! Wasted a few WHrs but it left such a cool design in the snow! :roll:
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby gogo » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:46 am

^Any chance you can do a fish scale and/or a sonic acceleration recording for each? Short of an open source dynomometer, head to head tests are some of the best measurements we are going to get.
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby docnjoj » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:45 am

Got my 2 metal gears and they look fine to me! Metal should not have the same points to the teeth as nylon! Harborfreight has tool to avoid flying circlips, but I think metric E rings would work fine from auto store! Anyway, I'm running brushed 20" C/L till i finish the Bafang. Soon i hope !
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby Knuckles » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:04 pm

New York Snow Storm Bafang TESTING!

I just rode the rear Bafang with metal gear thru 6" of SNOW! To the store and Back!
I could not pedal. But the rear motor PLOWED thru! :D
It was FUN! MY new "SNOW-MO-BIKE"!

Motor got very hot but no gear problems!
(I iced it down with snow)

HECK! This is a lil beast!

What a major difference the metal gear makes.
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby mer » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:01 pm

hehe nice knuckles , sounds like fun :)

you only need some snow tyres now hehehe

my 48v bafang still works fine and I can get it super hot , stop and accelerate from the steepest hills , brake and accelerate at the same time but i can't get them into the peanut butter state :D maybe the voltage is too low for that to happen ?
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby docnjoj » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:50 am

Mine were fine on old 48V NiMh, but the minute the new Ping 48 hit them, Peanut, peanut butter!
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby mer » Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:52 pm

mine is lifepo4 as well , not ni-mh , 48v 10ah with an ecrazyman contoller 30A . it reads 54v off the charger , if I remember correctly. I tried to get the gears into peanut butter state but I can't . Its kinda weird why yours melted with the lifepo4 just like that.... and I can't get mine no matter what I do. I even tried to drag my friend on his bicycle for miles ( quite steep hills as well ) , this did get the motor quite hot then stopped and accelerated from a very steep hill but still no peanut butter. Maybe because its cold outside so heat dissipates quite easily/fast or maybe its just quality control / luck ? It's a rear bafang and I am 130lbs / 65kg

Just thinking out loud...
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby Reid Welch » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:10 pm

grrrrr grrrrrr grrrrrr
___________

This is not off topic. I thought by now he must be dead and gone; after all, two years ago I cut myself off from all my real friends
because I just wasn't well and did not want to go visit Garland anymore, or anybody. I did not want to leave the house.

Two days ago the phone rang, "Hey, Reid? It's Garland Pobletts. How are you doing? We haven't heard from you and there's a car club dinner
tomorrow; maybe you can come with me and Marie?"

"Garland! You're alive!" "Why wouldn't I be?" "Still have the T?" "Yes, took it for the annual tour, up in Kentucky, this time (he tours with his club,
trailering one or the other of his old cars thousands of miles to the tour-place). Garland is going strong. So is his '15T touring that he has owned and
driven regularly, tens of thousands of miles, since 1957. Garland is ninety years old. He sounds to be just fine. No "grrrr grrrr grrrr".

Oh, how I remember his T. I've serviced its wear-able bands more than once. Garland likes the old style cotton lamp wick type of friction bands,
but they do burn out in a few thousand miles. Yet, Garland's Ford is the quietest running I've ever seen, despite its near-century of service.

T Planetary: The flywheel's rear face bears three stout steel pins. The pins are hard steel, press fit, just so, into the cast iron.
The flywheel runs in oil, dips into the oil sump, constantly wetting itself and the planet pins.

The planets are spur-cut, heat-treated, vanadium steel. They bear bronze bushes, flanged, press fitted, and are a rather loose running fit on the pins,
because

In the heat of an engine, bronze holes grow smaller by quite an amount, whilst the steel pins hardly "fatten" at all.
The gears contstantly spin all the time that the engine is in idle (a couple hundred or so rpm) or in "low" gear.
Only when the car is in its other gear, "high gear" (which is direct drive, no "gear" at all except in the distant rear axle), do the planetaries not spin;
instead they serve to transmit all the power, three spur teeth of steel, to the drive shaft.

Ford planets of steel and their bushings of a very, very particular grade of bronze, run in oil. The gears never, ever break.
Rarely, original bushings wear out to such an extent that the gear meshing is messy, and so, the bushings get replaced.
Then the car is liable to sound at idle, or in low gear, like a coffee mill. Mr T owner of today cannot buy original Ford replacement bushings.
He buys repro bushings. The bronze ain't the same. His machinist reams for what is to be a "proper fit", and knows his onions.
Mr. T owner gets his engine back, refits the engine, takes a first drive and notes "she don't run so sweet sounding as before".

He takes a run up 8% grade Bollocks Hill. He is gonna break in the new bushings, really easy-like.
So he's in low pedal low gear. The planetaries are spinning. Their oil-bathed bronze bushings are doing well, but heating....
and then the lose their oil clearance. One, two or three instantly SEIZE and stall the engine. End of that story.

Garland's old T, old bushings, makes nearly now transmission noise at all. "Reid, you gotta come up, now that you say you are feeling better,
and we'll pull the T out of the garage and you'll go drive it with me?" "I don't know, Garland. I almost died in my own car's death-accicent."
I am an ex-T man now." "I got'cha, Reid. But the offer stands, you know? It'd be good to see you again." The times we had.

As stated, Garland is ninety. He has been driving antique cars since before I was born. He's as fresh and unstripped of mental gear teeth as ever.

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Moral: Metal gears are grand. But they may or may not make a hell of a racket (not even your perfectionist machinist can predict in advance)
Loose bushings -should- guarantee odd and terrible gear noises. But, no. They guarantee plentiful OIL supply to the pinion posts,
and guarantee that each of the three planet teeth (we have ONLY three teeth, at best, in contact, carrying load, at any one time).

POINT: A model T transmission's planet-circle is not large; it works within the orbit described by a nine inch sun gear inside of a cast iron "low speed" drum.
IT SPINS FAST; if you race the idling engine to 2,000 rpm, the velocity of those planets is pretty damn high.
THE TORQUE on those teeth is tremendous: about 90 foot pounds can be applied in service (I am guesstimating numbers here).
IT ALL RUNS IN OIL, ALL OF THE TIME.
Point: metal to metal gearing that runs "fast" and for "long" is by far better off it it can be run in oil instead of mere grease.
But oil is hardly an option for most, leaky gear cases or other special cases.

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The Timing Gear of the T (this is not off topic).
I will continue this "lecture" at another time. I'm like, in geezer mode now, snorting derision at "kiddies" thinking that aluminum gears, greased,
are a good wearing thing against tool steel. I doubt it, but can only cite theoretical "no no" reasons. And what really frosts my Mr. Wilson (Dennis' neighbor, remember?)
HOW THE HELL do you who thinks "I'm running one metal and two plastic planets and its just great" plan to walk get home some distant day when your
one-effective-load bearing tooth of (aluminummmmm) busts the eff off, and "peanut butters" your dummy, plastic gears? You might as well leave OUT
the plastic gears. They do nothing if you have a metal planet, or the planet does nothing if you have one or two plastic planets in there;
There is no way, Dennis, that you can mix the races (you see its a figure of speech) and have them all shoulder the bails equal-like).

"Mr. Wilson", old grump, now tells "Dennis" to go back home and leave him be with his single malted, "It's time for my iced tea, young man. Go home now."

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Garland Pobletts rang me the other day...... "Reid how are you, we've been worried about you....."
"Are you still working, Garland? I had to quit working myself ten years ago."
"Yeah, I still work two days, doin' that courier work for the company (he ferries vital documents by hand, internationally).
Garland does not rock. He flies, twice per week, aged ninety. Reid only ha-rumphs at a bunch of silly talk in this thread.
It's not that Reid (I use the "third person" for the Queen Victoria-imperious effect) is all correct and infallable.
We are hardly that. But we knows our onions, pretty well, in general. Just don't ask me to hob a tooth or do machine work.
I'm no machinist at all; just a mechanic who fits and fixes and breaks and fixes things, and needs to be left alone now with his iced tea,
just for a spell.

Goodbye now, Dennis-es. Bring your red wagon over some other time? I'll let you clear the cellar of cinders and pay you a quarter.
And I'll tell you of the T's original-type of timing gear, direct driven from the hairpin-crankshaft's, whippy, front end. It is helical cut, a "silent" gear,
but in practice, it is never silent at all. So the aftermarket makers came up with a composite material, starting in 1920, that was truly silent.
This composite, plastic gear, lasted well in good installations. If you can find an NOS silent T timing gear, use it: it's still as strong as new.
It is made of solid linen cloth layers, laminated in Bakelite resin, layers going every which-way, all unitized, then machined from the raw blanks.
And they don't require much lube at all, and they are pure silent, and strong as steel in service.
Today we have some super-tough "reinforced" gear plastics. And I suppose (my "tea is half drunk now) that gears of even this new "improved?"
plastic, would serve a 150 volted Bafang without ever a ba-BANG.

Dialectial materialism-speech, Reid style: "DO THE BURFANG MOTOR PUT OUT NINETY FOOT POUNDS OF TORQUE? DO IT WHIP AN' SNAP
LIKE THE HARMONIC VIBES OF A Ts whippy crankshaft? Do road shocks put to the drive wheel make back-shocks to three spur teeth, ever, sufficient
to snap or deform one tooth? When I break a tooth I go 'owwww'! When a planetary pencil sharpener mechanism gets even one tooth chip, the whole shebang goes BAFANG."

:D

:wink:
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby docnjoj » Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:50 pm

Cool Reid! Many Chinese geared motors use varying degrees of nylon for 2 out of the three planet gears. My P2A got close to 2000 miles before the bearings on the STEEL gear failed. Its next in line after the Bafang to get repaired! Good to hear your prose again!
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby Mark_A_W » Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:57 am

I got my metal gears today, from Keywin through Voicecoils.

They don't fit. They are a completely different module - my motor is much finer pitch.


My motor is a Suzhou Bafang Motor Science Co. BFY711B11842.

Bugger. :cry:


Oh, and the bearings are stuffed in the new gears. They need to be replaced - which isn't hard.
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Re: Help finding a solution to Bafang gear stripping

Postby docnjoj » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:54 pm

mer wrote:mine is lifepo4 as well , not ni-mh , 48v 10ah with an ecrazyman contoller 30A . it reads 54v off the charger , if I remember correctly. I tried to get the gears into peanut butter state but I can't . Its kinda weird why yours melted with the lifepo4 just like that.... and I can't get mine no matter what I do. I even tried to drag my friend on his bicycle for miles ( quite steep hills as well ) , this did get the motor quite hot then stopped and accelerated from a very steep hill but still no peanut butter. Maybe because its cold outside so heat dissipates quite easily/fast or maybe its just quality control / luck ? It's a rear bafang and I am 130lbs / 65kg

Just thinking out loud...


Uh!................... 240 plus 80 lbs of trike could make a Pnut butter difference!??????????
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