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Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by LockH » Jan 31, 2016 9:03 am

Motors scandal: Indications that Belgian Under 23 rider becomes the first to be caught for "mechanical doping"
http://cyclingtips.com/2016/01/motors-s ... al-doping/
Disconcerting reports from the world cyclocross championships suggest that the Belgian under 23 rider Femke Van den Driessche has become the first rider officially detected as using a motor in her bike, exposing her to severe penalties.
(Article fails to mention perhaps that the Union Cycliste Internationale and other cycling organizations have banned other "radical or innovative" bicycles from competing in their sanctioned events.

These prohibitions included derailleur gears, wheel rims made of anything except wood and frames of a configuration other than the standard diamond.)
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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by fellow » Jan 31, 2016 11:22 am

She has only herself to blame. Kepler told her not to burn out in public! :shock: :lol:
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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by Hillhater » Jan 31, 2016 5:27 pm

Every sport has its rules and regulations that you accept when you sign up.
If you deliberately break those rules, be it a small motor, or chemicals (Armstrong) then you are a cheat trying to get an unfair advantage over fellow competitors.
Cycling and cyclocross etc are human powered sports. No place for any Ebike of any sort.
There are other competitions for Ebikes if you really want to use one..
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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by fechter » Jan 31, 2016 10:44 pm

I'd like to see how they hid the motor.
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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by LockH » Jan 31, 2016 11:06 pm

fechter wrote:I'd like to see how they hid the motor.
Gruber-style maybe. :)
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E-bike Mechanical doping!

Post by speedmd » Feb 01, 2016 12:06 pm

Confirmed case of mechanical doping at 2016 world cross championships. No indication it was used in the race, or effected outcome.
http://road.cc/content/tech-news/177135 ... rld-champs
http://cyclingtips.com/2016/01/motors-s ... al-doping/

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Re: E-bike Mechanical doping!

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nuts!

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Re: E-bike Mechanical doping!

Post by Lurkin » Feb 01, 2016 2:35 pm

Curious they had changed detection method. Makes me wonder if that wasn't the first time... Surely a skilled person would notice the difference in weight....

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Re: E-bike Mechanical doping!

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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by shadetree » Feb 01, 2016 3:27 pm

Yeah, they almost certainly used the vivax/ gruber.

I'm also curious what battery/ how they stashed it. I imagine in the seat post. Wonder whether 18650s or lipo?

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Re: E-bike Mechanical doping!

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Had not noticed it before posting. Away for a few days. How does one best merge the posts?

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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

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Re: E-bike Mechanical doping!

Post by Hillhater » Feb 01, 2016 3:59 pm

Lurkin wrote:Curious they had changed detection method. Makes me wonder if that wasn't the first time... Surely a skilled person would notice the difference in weight....
There have been suspicions and allegations of hidden motors etc for many years (2010?) but none confirmed until this.
At one stage they were using X ray checks on the major tours, but I believe they are now trying with IR heat detectors during/after key stages,.....looking for hot motors !
Weight is not a factor, they can build an EAssist bike practically to the minimum allowed race weight. :shock:
The biggest deterrent, is likely to be the career ending consequences of being caught...as Armstrong discovered.
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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by Hillhater » Feb 01, 2016 4:21 pm

Ahh !.....the classic "Bart Simpson". ( "I didn't do it "). excuse :lol:
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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by speedmd » Feb 01, 2016 8:49 pm

Bike made it to her pit but not clear if it was setup for her to use nor whether it was a functioning ebike. Huge mistake either way. There is more to this story for certain. Was there a battery even on the bike? If there is a hidden battery in the tubes, it makes it look a bit more suspect than if it was setup as a friends trainer with a seat back or handle bar battery pack and may have actually been a mix up as claimed. Suspicious that it was pulled out of the pit lineup and hunted down in a team car. Sounds more like a UCI puff pc. to call attention to something they did right for once. Interested in what the facts show.

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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by Hillhater » Feb 01, 2016 10:27 pm

Even if she didn't use it or know about it, the fact that it was in her pit available to her means it's a rule break.
You don't let "friends" leave their kit in your official pit area during an official event....especially at that level of competition.
If it was a "training/non competition". bike, why was it so carefully disguised to look standard ?
Either way, there had to be team involvement,
She will need some good connections to slip out of this.
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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by LockH » Feb 02, 2016 1:34 am

Website Gizmodo chimes in:
http://gizmodo.com/how-pro-cyclists-che ... 1756414521

(Great PR for ebikes! Hehe Ebikers all "lack moral fortitude". :lol: )












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Re: E-bike Mechanical doping!

Post by amberwolf » Feb 02, 2016 2:43 am

speedmd wrote:Had not noticed it before posting. Away for a few days. How does one best merge the posts?
Fiksed. ;)

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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by LockH » Feb 02, 2016 8:19 am

Italian manufacturer Wilier Triestina smells money "Sue the b*tch!". Seen here:
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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by speedmd » Feb 02, 2016 9:41 am

Hillhater wrote:Even if she didn't use it or know about it, the fact that it was in her pit available to her means it's a rule break.
You don't let "friends" leave their kit in your official pit area during an official event....especially at that level of competition.
If it was a "training/non competition". bike, why was it so carefully disguised to look standard ?
Either way, there had to be team involvement,
She will need some good connections to slip out of this.
No argument if it was in fact in the pits and setup for her to ride. Very bad! Not clear that is the case just yet. Team may have discovered the mistake and immediately removed it. Still bad that it was in the same country and made to look like a standard race bike. That alone should be cause for concern. No word yet if in fact it was this and not a seat pack or bottle battery setup not installed. If it is a internal battery / totally stealth setup and was known to her, it looks very bad and it will be dealt with firmly. She had a decisive pro victory that folks said was unbelievable just recently. It looks even more suspect now. Something tells me that we have much more to this story. Not going away for certain.

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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by Leebolectric » Feb 02, 2016 10:31 am

I can tell the difference between tubes and tubeless...
I can feel the difference between steel and aluminum frames...
I can feel the difference in 3psi of tire pressure...
...and I am a intermediate racer and rider.....far from the pro level.

No freakin way she didn't know the difference.
No freakin way she would ALLLOW that bike NEAR her pit if she was racing at a pro level.
I'd imagine at least 5lbs for the motor and battery...that would affect a 15b race bike's handling ALOT!
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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by speedmd » Feb 02, 2016 11:01 am

Understood. They set tire pressures to 0.10 psi tolerances. Did not stop someone grabbing her friends (her old race bike that she sold him and he built up as a training bike for himself) and throwing it in the team truck. I could see this happening. Pit folks just want to hurry to get things in place for their star. Been there.

Big-expensive mistake having it ( a fraudulent race bike ) anywhere near the race.

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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by MadRhino » Feb 02, 2016 11:09 am

Of course, one can't be helped by a motor and not noticing the extra magic thrust. :wink:
Time has come for motorized MTB racing, and getting rid of those low power hidden motors. :D
Make it fool-proof, and I will make a better fool.
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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by TheBeastie » Feb 02, 2016 11:37 am

Maybe one of the motivations a side from the most obvious ones for this hidden motor was bets placed that she would win on online gambling websites... just like the tennis match fixing scandal..
Maybe they felt they couldn't dope her with steroids etc so they cheated via motor.
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Re: Another suspected ebike cheater

Post by speedmd » Feb 02, 2016 11:40 am

Would love to see some uphill E Mtb racing. :shock: Hell, I could even be competitive.

Now everyone is worried about hidden wheel motors. Sure there are tons of them out there at 200 K each. :lol:
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