"Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by teslanv » Sep 28, 2017 10:45 pm

I've been pairing the 4T and 6T windings of these motors with my 6FET irfb3077 controllers that put out about 30A. Running them on a 48V-15AH Hailing XL pack of 13S5P Samsung 30Q cells. This combination is rock solid, and a whole lotta fun.

I run the 4T (11Kv) on a 26" tire and the 6T (~8.5Kv) on a 29er tire (Shown below).

Just an awesome set-up all around.
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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by casuarinatree » Oct 05, 2017 3:48 pm

I am having problems getting my Cycle Analyst V3 to give me a MPH readout. I can easily get readouts for my battery usage, voltage, etc. When it comes to MPH there is never a readout when riding or a total MPH for trip length. I am using the following that I purchased from LA Ebike and Lunacycle a few months ago:

Edge 1500W Motor
18 Fet Sinewave Controller
52V 24Ah Triangle Battery

All other functions seem to work correctly, (i.e. L/M/H power settings, ebrakes, throttle). I just can't tell how fast I am going.

Is it possible that the controller is setup incorrectly? I seem to remember reading earlier in this thread where another user was having issue with the MPH readout as well.

I'm sure it is probably something simple I haven't setup correctly in the Cycle Analyst options as everything else seem to function properly.

*EDIT - I did not setup or utilize the PAS sensor on the bicycle. When I purchased this I was told it was not necessary in order to use the Cycle Analyst v3 and have complete functionality otherwise.

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by Trailblazer » Oct 05, 2017 6:48 pm

casuarinatree wrote:I am having problems getting my Cycle Analyst V3 to give me a MPH readout. I can easily get readouts for my battery usage, voltage, etc. When it comes to MPH there is never a readout when riding or a total MPH for trip length. I am using the following that I purchased from LA Ebike and Lunacycle a few months ago:

Edge 1500W Motor
18 Fet Sinewave Controller
52V 24Ah Triangle Battery

All other functions seem to work correctly, (i.e. L/M/H power settings, ebrakes, throttle). I just can't tell how fast I am going.

Is it possible that the controller is setup incorrectly? I seem to remember reading earlier in this thread where another user was having issue with the MPH readout as well.

I'm sure it is probably something simple I haven't setup correctly in the Cycle Analyst options as everything else seem to function properly.

*EDIT - I did not setup or utilize the PAS sensor on the bicycle. When I purchased this I was told it was not necessary in order to use the Cycle Analyst v3 and have complete functionality otherwise.
I was the one that had a problem with speed readout showing up. It worked fine when I got the setup and then after awhile it quit working. Oddly enough, using a 48v battery it worked fine. I never was able to figure out what the problem was, I just used it at 48v until I burned out the halls (my fault).
I really think it has to do with a short somewhere. I am now using a controller from PowerVelocity.com on a different motor and it is a high quality controller. You might try that. Good luck!

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by casuarinatree » Oct 06, 2017 11:42 am

Thanks for that feedback @Trailblazer. I'm not certain why I don't get the readout but I may just give another controller a try.

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by Green Werks » Nov 03, 2017 7:06 pm

I Love the edge DD Hub Motor
Thank you Spinning Magnets
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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by spinningmagnets » Nov 03, 2017 9:42 pm

You are very welcome. I see it looks like you mounted it in a 20-inch rim...even better! Mine is in a 19-inch moped rim, so the rear wheel is very similar to a 24-inch bicycle rim.

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by Green Werks » Nov 04, 2017 1:08 pm

I think that these motors are awesome
I have 3 of them now
A 20 inch for the trike
a26 inch for the mountain bike
and a extra one for a demo and to have in stock also to take to trade shows
so far I have done 4 conversions for customers last summer they love them
looking forward to 2018 summer going to try to make it a full time business
I am running 18 fet 8000w controllers on all of them
I am thinking of running 2 52v 24ah 50 amp bms batteries together on the trike just to see what it does
It would be easy to take one of the batteries out of the mountain bike and slide it in the other bag on the trike
I thought of this after I read your article on batteries you are a great influence
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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by Samd » Nov 04, 2017 8:25 pm

Interesting dyno! What are you using for torque measurement?


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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by Green Werks » Nov 05, 2017 7:51 am

It is a home made rig that I don't use much any more
I own a motorcycle shop and it is made up from stuff laying around the shop
the stand is a modified motorcycle wheel building stand heavy steel
it is used now for a working display stand and a place to test run new motors and controllers.
to create a load I used a indoor bicycle fluid trainer stand good for up to 3 maybe 4 hp
to get the numbers I use a CA and a gizmo called a VEYPOR Performance Intelligence unit
The VEYPOR is more crazy than the CA we used it on our motorcycles and go kart, mini bike builds
what it does is turn the drive wheel into a dyno roller and it gives you values like hp and torque
zero to whet ever speeds in seconds, 1/4 mile times and a whole lot of Hot Rod Bs like that
along with the CA you get all of the electric info, together it is something to do over a long cold wet winter
sit and watch the wheel spin and look at the numbers
the very cool thing about the electric is no noise and you don't have to vent any exhaust
spinning up a 60 hp super moto motor gets real loud.

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by Green Werks » Nov 06, 2017 12:46 pm

Is their any one out their running this motor on a trike
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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by Trailblazer » Nov 06, 2017 1:06 pm

Where are you guys buying this motor these days? Mine from laebikes was laced using parts that were simply not up to snuff and I broke several spokes.

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by Green Werks » Nov 06, 2017 3:28 pm

I get my motors and controllers from Alan at electric race technologies and his comes with a temp sensor, LA ebikes does not he is a straight up dude and always comes through

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by Green Werks » Nov 06, 2017 7:59 pm

Would like to pose a question If I may
How do you other edge heads think the Little motor would hold up
with a 72v 26ah 100a max battery supplying the juice.
I am think about that or hooking my 2 52v 24ah 50 maps max batteries together
Trying to figure out which would be the best way to go
I am going to keep the 20 inch wheel on the trike I really like the torque
and all I really am looking for is the 0 to 30 mph real quick like
and if a little smoke would start to roll off the back tire while I was doing that
it would be Awesome
Thankx in advance for any thoughts.

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by Trailblazer » Nov 06, 2017 9:54 pm

Green Werks wrote:I get my motors and controllers from Alan at electric race technologies and his comes with a temp sensor, LA ebikes does not he is a straight up dude and always comes through
Thanks very much. Yeah, I have traded emails with Alan and he seems like a guy to buy from. Thanks for the validation!

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by markz » Nov 07, 2017 8:23 pm

Green Werks - Do a search and you will find lots of people spitting out lots of watts. Like user neptronix.
The Leaf is basically the same as the edge.

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... f#p1316411
For example, i run a 1.5kw rated leaf ( more like 2000w rated actual ) at a peak of 4000W, but the 4000W only happens when accelerating or climbing a hill, otherwise i'm cruising at 1000-2500W or less. A pack like yours would handle that.

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by markz » Nov 07, 2017 8:24 pm

Green Werks - Do a search and you will find lots of people spitting out lots of watts. Like user neptronix.
The Leaf is basically the same as the edge.

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... f#p1316411
For example, i run a 1.5kw rated leaf ( more like 2000w rated actual ) at a peak of 4000W, but the 4000W only happens when accelerating or climbing a hill, otherwise i'm cruising at 1000-2500W or less. A pack like yours would handle that.
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... f#p1296407
When i showed you folks what this motor was capable of at 6000W in the first pages, i had the 12 gauge wiring installed. The wires were not a heat bottleneck and were adequate for the ~80A i was pushing.

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by spinningmagnets » Nov 07, 2017 9:18 pm

I am a fan of the Leafbike 1500W, but the reason it is lighter than the Edge 1500W is because it has the thin steel stator support, as opposed to the thicker aluminum stator-support in the Edge (which acts as a heat-sponge). Although both would benefit from adding Ferro-Fluid, the Leafbike definitely needs it to access its full potential.

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by Green Werks » Nov 08, 2017 8:49 am

Thank you for all the feed back
I guess what I will try first since I have everything here except the connector for hooking up the two batteries together
is to run my two luna 52v 24ah 50 amp continuous BMS batteries together
If i'am seeing this right it should provide 52v 48ah and 100 amps does this sound right

The two 52v battery configuration will have 196 cells which to my thinking should have little to no sag running it at 70 amps through the CA
A 72v battery 20s 7p has 140 cells and will deliver 100 amps

Both set ups will deliver 100 amps the difference is a 72v puts out 72v and 26ah and the two 52v together puts out 52v but has 48ah
Is my thinking correct on this
Thankx in advance.
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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by madin88 » Nov 08, 2017 1:28 pm

spinningmagnets wrote:I am a fan of the Leafbike 1500W, but the reason it is lighter than the Edge 1500W is because it has the thin steel stator support, as opposed to the thicker aluminum stator-support in the Edge (which acts as a heat-sponge). Although both would benefit from adding Ferro-Fluid, the Leafbike definitely needs it to access its full potential.
Take a closer look to the stators. The one from the Leaf has a larger diameter on the inside, so the iron core has lower mass.
I don't know the reason why manufacturers do this, but one might be the liability to breaking the lams during assembling.
Thats why motors like Cro or MXUS V1 with 0,5mm lams usually have lower weight as V2 version of such with the thinner lams, but not so with the Leaf :)

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edge:https://endless-sphere.com/forums/downl ... &mode=view

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Re: "Edge" DD hubmotor, 1500W, 35mm, Al core

Post by Green Werks » Nov 15, 2017 12:33 pm

Dudes thankx for all the love and feedback but I think that I'm going to pussy out
and not put my 2 52v batteries together and just give alan a $1100.00 bucks
and buy one of his 72v 26ah 100a continuous batteries and call it a day
and the little Edge will sing

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