Crystalyte Motors,NEW APM's all in stock !

[jimw1960]

Sent you and email. I'm interested in a rear HS with a 48v controller. Out of curiosity, would the 72v controller work on a 48v battery or would it hit the low-voltage cutoff?

[kriskros]

i just bought a motor from max... arrived as promised...tried it out... 26.5 mph with an a123 36v,20amp battery

[neptronix]

i just bought a motor from max... arrived as promised...tried it out... 26.5 mph with an a123 36v,20amp battery

Dude, thanks. I have been asking for a speed report for a long time.
Is that pedaling or not pedaling?

[kriskros]

i just bought a motor from max... arrived as promised...tried it out... 26.5 mph with an a123 36v,20amp battery

Dude, thanks. I have been asking for a speed report for a long time.
Is that pedaling or not pedaling?

that s no pedalind,flat ground,tadpole trike,36v,20amp battery. 36v,40amp lyen sensorless controller, i weigh about 155lbs

[maxwell65]

Sent you and email. I'm interested in a rear HS with a 48v controller. Out of curiosity, would the 72v controller work on a 48v battery or would it hit the low-voltage cutoff?

my 72v controllers will not work with 48v battery cause the LVC is set at 56v,,,,48v controller LVC is set to 41v.

[jimw1960]

Received my order quickly. Thanks for fast shipping. Box had been opened, perhaps by customs, but everything seems to be in order. It may be a few weeks before I have a battery and bike ready for this setup, but I'll let you know how it runs. Max gets my seal of approval.

[mikebikerad]

I'll also take some sensored motors when you get em.

[thewmatusmoloki]

Sounds great, I'll take an HS motor and 72v controller thanks. Do I just go ahead and transfer the money into this (maxpowerev@hotmail.com) paypal account? i'm in australia so I expect delivery will take a couple of weeks?

[slayer]

Thank you Maxwel Smart

received my HS3540 already.... that was fast 1 day

Guy

[maxwell65]

Sounds great, I'll take an HS motor and 72v controller thanks. Do I just go ahead and transfer the money into this (maxpowerev@hotmail.com) paypal account? i'm in australia so I expect delivery will take a couple of weeks?

hi,

shipping to Australia forget it,,, 540$ however if you want it not laced in a rim 150.00 but that is 4 to 6 weeks shipping or 260.00 6 days shipping,,,may take up to 10 days dependent on customs,,i would take the motors off the rims and send you the spokes.the rims raises the shipping costs cause of the space it takes. i can try to save you shipping costs by shipping 2 motors at a time in the same box if that interests you.

if you like we can talk on skype if you have further questions or just ask here or pm me.

thanks
max

[wojtek]

agree!

but unfortunately crystalyte europe were probably not firm enough with Kenny and are only offering controllers with compatible with their own anayst...
That is really sad, from my perspective Kenny should use the same cable for his analyst as it is used for CA.

I understand wanting to earn extra $$$ but from business perspective it normally turns against the business if you don't treat your end-customers right.
Free market and choice is the way to go. Make an analyst that is better than CA, and people will start buying it!

I've read elsewhere that Crystalyte is abandoning CA compatibility in favor of their own similar device that is scheduled to come out in June. Are your controllers third party with CA connections?

Thanks.

Untrue
Kenny will wire controllers to be CA compatible. It is up to the retailer to insist that Kenny does this
If the retailer does not insist then it is probable that Kenny will not add the CA connector - which would be very lame.

-methods

[methods]

That is really sad, from my perspective Kenny should use the same cable for his analyst as it is used for CA.

Kenny's "analyst" is nothing like the CA and does very little "analyzing" - it is more like a collection of other basic (and a few cool) features in an fancy box. People will think it is cool (at first) but will quickly see that it is in no way a competitor to the CA as it is missing the most critical feature. You certainly would not want the same connector as the CA - first because the electrical connections are totally different and second because people will quickly find that they still need a CA.

When you start seeing these new boxes on the bars my guess is that it wont be long before they are sitting right next to a CA.
Really different creatures..... and controllers should have connectors for BOTH

-methods

[Stevil_Knevil]

.... and controllers should have connectors for BOTH

Oh, HellZ yes! Kenny, get with it

[Ryank]

Just ordered a full setup from Max Kogan. He was very helpful, and took quite a bit of time to discuss several aspects of his products-over the course of several phone calls. VERY NICE GENT!

.........Now it's just the waiting game......... (I think I'm gonna tackle the UPS dude)

[maxwell65]

That is really sad, from my perspective Kenny should use the same cable for his analyst as it is used for CA.

Kenny's "analyst" is nothing like the CA and does very little "analyzing" - it is more like a collection of other basic (and a few cool) features in an fancy box. People will think it is cool (at first) but will quickly see that it is in no way a competitor to the CA as it is missing the most critical feature. You certainly would not want the same connector as the CA - first because the electrical connections are totally different and second because people will quickly find that they still need a CA.

When you start seeing these new boxes on the bars my guess is that it wont be long before they are sitting right next to a CA.
Really different creatures..... and controllers should have connectors for BOTH

-methods

so whats the story,,,will the CA (original) work with the sensor-less controllers? or does a controller have to have the hall effects for the CA to work? cause right now it seems that people cannot use the CA with the sensor less controllers no matter what they do with it,,,BTW clyte says their second gen APM will be out in 25days,,,maybe that will have more features.we will see.

[slayer]

I just want to add that the cycle analyst direct plug in (CA-DP) will work except the speedometer not working everything else does and you could make mod inside the controller to make it fully fonctional


Also for those who know that now they can buy the cycle analyst with the speedometer sensor seperate (CA-DPS) and they will have every feature

[maxwell65]

I just want to add that the cycle analyst direct plug in (CA-DP) will work except the speedometer not working everything else does and you could make mod inside the controller to make it fully fonctional


Also for those who know that now they can buy the cycle analyst with the speedometer sensor seperate (CA-DPS) and they will have every feature

do you have pics and instructions to make the sensor less controller fully functional with the CA? we neeeeeed toooo knooowwww

[wojtek]

I think i saw somewhere the instructions from ebikes.ca on how to do it. It is just that I don't want to open up the controller and do it myself as it will probably void the warranty + i don't feel strong in the micro-soldering and electronics...

I just want to add that the cycle analyst direct plug in (CA-DP) will work except the speedometer not working everything else does and you could make mod inside the controller to make it fully fonctional


Also for those who know that now they can buy the cycle analyst with the speedometer sensor seperate (CA-DPS) and they will have every feature

do you have pics and instructions to make the sensor less controller fully functional with the CA? we neeeeeed toooo knooowwww

[whatever]

stainless steel spokes??? stainless = brittle over time = breakages
surprised crystalyte would even supply stainless with all their years of experience
stainless = bad idea

[slayer]

I just want to add that the cycle analyst direct plug in (CA-DP) will work except the speedometer not working everything else does and you could make mod inside the controller to make it fully fonctional


Also for those who know that now they can buy the cycle analyst with the speedometer sensor seperate (CA-DPS) and they will have every feature

do you have pics and instructions to make the sensor less controller fully functional with the CA? we neeeeeed toooo knooowwww

This is the part you need to change : the speed wire from the controller ...the wire speed is at the hall sensor you need to put it where he explains (Justin Lemore) he is showing all the other functions like throttle over ride and all but this is the only mod needed the speed wire...


Part of the appeal of the CA-DP installation is that it picks up the motor speed information from the motor hall signals rather than requiring an external spoke sensor and magnet. However, in a sensorless controller there aren't any hall signals as such. With the previous incarnation of the analog Crystalyte pedal first controllers, there was still a signal line that would toggle at each commutation and could serve as a speedo pulse, but it was prone to glitching at startup and causing false speed readings in the 100's of mph.

On these new boards, there is an LM339 comparator chip that compares the motor phase voltages to a synthesized neutral voltage and the three outputs are conveniently brought out as 3 test point pads on the ciruitboard, so you can trivially solder the yellow CA-DP wire into one of these to get the motor speed reading. From my testing the pulses are very stable even at low speeds (3-4 mph) and during startup:

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this is the thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26336

[maxwell65]

stainless steel spokes??? stainless = brittle over time = breakages
surprised crystalyte would even supply stainless with all their years of experience
stainless = bad idea

i thought that stainless steel spokes were of Superior quality,,,so what material do we look for in spokes? update,,,i spoke with my pro bike mechanic and he informed me that stainless steel spokes is the way to go,,,,all the best spokes are stainless steel,,,and if you look down at the next post by EMF,he really seems to know his stuff.

[EMF]

I think stainless spokes are the best material when compared to chrome or zinc plated ones - those spokes I consider inferior. The computer technology is there now to control the amount of nickle to a gnats ass and therefore ductility of stainless, to render the brittleness a moot point. Used to be when it was not so well controllable, I suppose one could get some bad stainless. Having said that, it is my understanding that too much nickle was thrown in to make sure the stainless met the spec. Now, they can control it and no longer guess and save a lot of money. ( I use a lot of stainless steel in my work )

Maybe there is something better now than stainless for spokes - I don't know- but I would not lose sleep over a wheel built out of stainless spokes.

[itselectric]

I just want to add that the cycle analyst direct plug in (CA-DP) will work except the speedometer not working everything else does and you could make mod inside the controller to make it fully fonctional


Also for those who know that now they can buy the cycle analyst with the speedometer sensor seperate (CA-DPS) and they will have every feature

do you have pics and instructions to make the sensor less controller fully functional with the CA? we neeeeeed toooo knooowwww

This is the part you need to change : the speed wire from the controller ...the wire speed is at the hall sensor you need to put it where he explains (Justin Lemore) he is showing all the other functions like throttle over ride and all but this is the only mod needed the speed wire...


Part of the appeal of the CA-DP installation is that it picks up the motor speed information from the motor hall signals rather than requiring an external spoke sensor and magnet. However, in a sensorless controller there aren't any hall signals as such. With the previous incarnation of the analog Crystalyte pedal first controllers, there was still a signal line that would toggle at each commutation and could serve as a speedo pulse, but it was prone to glitching at startup and causing false speed readings in the 100's of mph.

On these new boards, there is an LM339 comparator chip that compares the motor phase voltages to a synthesized neutral voltage and the three outputs are conveniently brought out as 3 test point pads on the ciruitboard, so you can trivially solder the yellow CA-DP wire into one of these to get the motor speed reading. From my testing the pulses are very stable even at low speeds (3-4 mph) and during startup:

Speedo%20Connection.jpg

this is the thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26336

slayer:
you need read further on the post. There are NO solution for this. There are NO LM339 chip in the new sensoreless controller. You simple CANNOT hook up a CycleAnlayst onto the new sensorless controller.
Ken

[slayer]

oups Silly me loll
So sorry for Justin but that new apm looks interesting
sorry for me too cause i tired of spending ... loll

well for now i have most of the features with a seperate speedometer ...i will wait for next year maybe

[kriskros]

i have thge hs3540 sensorless...also have Lyens sensorless controller...also have the CA direct plug in.... iuse the separate speed cable and EVERYTHING works perfectly