Crystalyte Motors,NEW APM's all in stock !

[methods]

No doubt. If someone wants to buy a single ebike kit and use it for normal non-insane things the sensorless kits Max provides are simple and reliable with no compromise in running performance (though i would ask about *starting off* from a dead stop on a steep hill). I would not hesitate to buy one of these kits for my mom.

Oddly - sensorless is actually *more reliable and efficient* - but since the market is hindered by controllers that can only operate with sensors there is a heavy lean toward the sensored direction. What the market needs is a controller than can leverage sensors (great off the line performance) but also run sensorless (reliability & efficiency once at speed).

-methods


EDIT: One more note.... If somone buys one of these Crystalyte sensorless controllers it is highly likely that it will be compatible with almost any DD motor on the market - even if it has blown halls! A sensorless controller is the best choice for a backup controller since it does not care if your halls are blown. A good buy for sure. If I had my choice I would want a tiny 6 fet sensorless stashed away on the bike at all times.

[CrazyJerry]

The Crystalyte 48v 45amp sensorless controller and HS motor that Max is running is also what I am running. Since late April I've topped 1255 miles with zero issues. Last week I ate my first moped. He kept his dignity by sitting up as I overtook him 47mph! Credit given for not quitting as he resumed the aero-tuck immediately after!

The commute to work is 30 hilly miles round-trip. If anything with this new sensorless setup goes south I'll post it as well!

- CrazyJerry

[gerrydesign]

Just wanted to thank Max for the C-lyte motor and accessories I ordered a weeks ago. I just had my 1st ebike initiation last night and literally, my first press on the throttle I thought I was going to do a willie I'm running 48V 20aH and a 48V/72V 12 x 4110 MOSFET Extreme Modder Sensorless Controller from Lyen. I still need some schooling to what connector to use. My newb set-up right now is all connected via electric tape.

[RVD]

anderson powerpoles. i like them a lot.

buy like 5 feet or so of red/black 10, 12, 14 gauge wires, 25 red, 25 black, and 25 45 amp connectors of andersons, 10 30 amp connectors. get a crimper tool (tricrimp) and a wire cutter. then go wild...

[Doctorbass]

Max, any news about the problem of using these Crystalyte controllers and the cycle analyst?

In fact the cycle analyst connector of these controller dont work for the current reading and the speed.

You can modify the internal two white and blue wires of the C-A connector plug inside the controller and connect them to the shunt ( the right place!)

so you'll be able to read the current and power.

but for the speed reading, the direct plug in connector of these crystalyte SENSORLESS controller DONT WORK


Max.. any news about a possible mod to allow the cycle analyst user to be able to get power, current ans speed reading with your revisoin of the crystalyte controllers?

A have a group of student from high school that i suggest them to buy motor and other equipment from you but as for the cycle analyst.. unless you dont have good news about the direct plug in connector for the C-A and your controller, i might need to suggest them to but the non direct plug in version of the C-A and to use the magnetic sensor for the spokes.

[Bison_69]

Hi Doc... (Stephane),

I bought one of those sensorless controler lately and I think you won't expect much from Crystalyte on this one... IMO I think they released this version especially to be used with their new display coming out this month... (which is very limited to compare with the CA)


SG

[maxwell65]

hi doc,

no news yet,,,clyte now has the APM's but they still gave me no info as to what it reads from the controller,,,volts, AH, speed etc.it will be interesting to see what in fact it will do and if it will need a magnet and sensor on the wheel to determine speed.

[neptronix]

The crystalyte controller looks an awful lot like a 12FET infineon..

[Doctorbass]

The crystalyte controller looks an awful lot like a 12FET infineon..

yeah.. the exact same board.. i discovered that with the 18 fets boards 18 month ago

and.. they are programmable too!.. but C-lyte dont mention that and dont install any connector for that!

Doc

[wojtek]

there is something really wrong about crystalyte.
they did come up with a good motor [excellent weight / power ratio] but there are some ridiculous facts around..
- the cable management with very sharp plastic housing that easily cuts the cable(s)
- releasing the sensorless controller WITHOUT CA cable and at the same time WITHOUT their own solution [still in progress, and nobody knows when ...]
- no sensored option right from the factory [even though the production costs for it are extremely low]

If Ken listened more, the HS /HT series would be a total hit on the market with plenty of happy customers! But no, he does leave us with a bitter taste in the mouth.

[maxwell65]

there is something really wrong about crystalyte.
they did come up with a good motor [excellent weight / power ratio] but there are some ridiculous facts around..
- the cable management with very sharp plastic housing that easily cuts the cable(s)
- releasing the sensorless controller WITHOUT CA cable and at the same time WITHOUT their own solution [still in progress, and nobody knows when ...]
- no sensored option right from the factory [even though the production costs for it are extremely low]

If Ken listened more, the HS /HT series would be a total hit on the market with plenty of happy customers! But no, he does leave us with a bitter taste in the mouth.

hi,
about your comments: "- the cable management with very sharp plastic housing that easily cuts the cable(s)" is that really the case? i looked at the housing and it looks fine to me,,,do you have pics?
"- releasing the sensorless controller WITHOUT CA cable and at the same time WITHOUT their own solution [still in progress, and nobody knows when ...]" i agree thats a bummer,but they do have a version 2 that came out,,,but im still waiting to hear if it works.

-" no sensored option right from the factory [even though the production costs for it are extremely low]" the option is in fact there and hall sensors can be installed on the sensorless versions as the notches for the halls are in the motors,,,,i choose not to order the sensored versions as i was worried that the spacing to allow the 5 hall wires would be too tight along with the 3 phase wires.

all that being said, so far all the people that are using the sensorless versions (no halls) are very happy and impressed,,,and i am very impressed as well,,,i am going to be ordering a huge amount of HS and HT motors for my next shipment as i know first hand this is absolutely the case,,,,there is no way i would commit to another order if this was not the case.i would have to be just plain nuts ,,,i never ever sell anything unless i am a happy end user,,,and im very happy and very impressed with these new HS and HT motors ,,,(i have an HS which im currently using with the sensorless 48v45amp clyte controller,,,i did not try the HT version yet, but from the customers that are using them they are also very happy),,,if you intend on going over 72v45amps then the consensus is you should have the halls as the sensorless is not that smooth on the takeoffs as well as not being able to get to top speed apparently,,,so high volts and amps not so great for sensorless.

IMHO go sensorless if you are staying up to 72v45amps,,,this way you have great reliability by not having the 5 hall sensors and great performance,,,
Go sensored if you have a need for more than 72v45amps,,,,plain and simple.

[wojtek]

there are 2 housings - the first one is fine. But when you take it out, there is another one. When you touch the edges [where the cables are placed] with your fingers, you will feel it...

Im sorry Max - didnt mean to post it in your selling thread- thought it was another one about HT/ HS in general.

I agree about using the crystalyte sensorless kit for low power usage. Today i had another day of offroad riding on my trike with 44v.4v zippys. Great torque of HS in 20inch wheel, very quiet [cant really tell that it is electric from the noise!], good speed [although i cant measure it at the moment]
No issues whatsoever.

[maxwell65]

there are 2 housings - the first one is fine. But when you take it out, there is another one. When you touch the edges [where the cables are placed] with your fingers, you will feel it...

Im sorry Max - didnt mean to post it in your selling thread- thought it was another one about HT/ HS in general.

I agree about using the crystalyte sensorless kit for low power usage. Today i had another day of offroad riding on my trike with 44v.4v zippys. Great torque of HS in 20inch wheel, very quiet [cant really tell that it is electric from the noise!], good speed [although i cant measure it at the moment]
No issues whatsoever.

no problem to post here,,,we all want to improve as much as possible these new motors,,,if you say there is a sharp edge then we need to rectify this,,,i will look into this further and bring it up to kenny.

[wojtek]

excellent - my point is, all those problems can be solved either by end customer or the vendor. But best to make it right on the production line. This will reduce the price and save some time for the vendors. [who would charge for any modifications / improvements]
And save time and the risk of losing the warranty for the end-customer if trying to do it by themselves.

[methods]

Justin posted the exact instructions for hooking up a CA tap on the sensorless controllers months ago.

-methods

Max, any news about the problem of using these Crystalyte controllers and the cycle analyst?

In fact the cycle analyst connector of these controller dont work for the current reading and the speed.

You can modify the internal two white and blue wires of the C-A connector plug inside the controller and connect them to the shunt ( the right place!)

so you'll be able to read the current and power.

but for the speed reading, the direct plug in connector of these crystalyte SENSORLESS controller DONT WORK


Max.. any news about a possible mod to allow the cycle analyst user to be able to get power, current ans speed reading with your revisoin of the crystalyte controllers?

A have a group of student from high school that i suggest them to buy motor and other equipment from you but as for the cycle analyst.. unless you dont have good news about the direct plug in connector for the C-A and your controller, i might need to suggest them to but the non direct plug in version of the C-A and to use the magnetic sensor for the spokes.

[methods]

The manual is in the post right above yours. Read it carefully.... It is not as full featured as it sounds. Example:

"Fuel Gauge"
Ask yourself if that is based on AH (as the CA is) or based on Voltage (which is totally useless for chemistry like LiFe). Even worse, the "fuel gauge" can only be set to an interval of Lead Acid battery... so you cant even try to adjust it to your lipo pack.

The box has some cool features and it integrates with the controller chip nicely but it is not a replacement for the CA. More of a cool gadget than a serious meter.

Think about how the efficiency and torque measurements are being calculated when the box knows nothing of the motor it is hooked to. How could it POSSIBLY claim to make such a measurement? It cant... I guess it is nice that it shows a noob rider that high load and low speed is inefficient - but that is about it.

Kenny could have hit a grand slam with this box but it is missing a couple of very key concepts that the CA does perfectly.

-methods

hi doc,

no news yet,,,clyte now has the APM's but they still gave me no info as to what it reads from the controller,,,volts, AH, speed etc.it will be interesting to see what in fact it will do and if it will need a magnet and sensor on the wheel to determine speed.

[eugenem]

Hi Everyone!

I just got the hs3540 kit from Max and now I'm on a hunt for a proper battery.

What kind of a battery can you recommend for the hs3540 and the clyte 48v45a controller? I guess that there's no point in having a 45a controller is the battery is not rated for this kind of a discharge.

I would really prefer a US supplier because it would get me the battery sooner so any suggestions are welcome.

[eugenem]

Never mind. I got a 16S 4P A123 pack from cell_man

Can't wait to try everything out!

[eugenem]

I'm a little confused. Which version of CA will work with my setup? The stand alone or direct plugin? I assume all that's required is to plug it into the controller, am I correct?

It also looks like it won't be able to tell my speed, is that correct as well?

Sorry for all of the newby questions. Just trying to figure this out.

[rui_fujino]

hi guys, has anyone actually done 72v setup with HS3540 yet?
im interested of upgrading to it if the top speed is good with price... but then as far as i know all the problems are putting me off from even getting new motor...
how may types of controller is available so far for the sensor-less? i know you can get 72v40 and 72v45a at moment...

[maxwell65]

I'm a little confused. Which version of CA will work with my setup? The stand alone or direct plugin? I assume all that's required is to plug it into the controller, am I correct?

It also looks like it won't be able to tell my speed, is that correct as well?

Sorry for all of the newby questions. Just trying to figure this out.

hi,
the CA does not work properly with the new sensorless controllers (unless there is a fix i do not know about),,,clytes new APM's do work and give you speedometer without having a magnet sensor on the wheel,,,plus a host of other functions,,,,i will have stock of these on my next shipment to be arranged this week,,,so figure 1.5 to 2 months.

Here is what the apm will allow you to do:

Display Speed / without magnetic sensor on the wheel even on
the sensorless controllers!
Display Voltage
Set the PAS and Cruise
you can adjust 9 speed settings from low to high.
Adjust the low voltage cut off / LVC
Adjust the current,,,you can adjust the amps and the volts.

[bonzo]

The APM misses the MOST important function......AH used!

On the plus side of the new motors, my Dad's HT3540 SMOKES my x5305 at 45 amps vs my 65amps, in accel and top speed.

I weigh 200lbs, and his bike took me to 47MPH. Both bikes are running 24s headway 16Ah. (79-80 volts avg)

[oatnet]

The APM misses the MOST important function......AH used!

Ah is not so useful, because it does not take into account voltage drop from load or DOD - that is why we use WH. AH x V = WH.

-JD

[bonzo]

You cant have WH without AH....(AH X V)

[oatnet]

You cant have WH without AH....(AH X V)

Yes, AH is part of the WH calculation I enumerated in my post. You also can't have WH without Volts. Independantly, neither AH nor V is useful as a measure of current.

-JD