5403/5404 US/CANADA deadline! order is made!!!

[Arlo1]

Lol after I posted that I thought to my self.... Man a go kart with 4 of these one for each wheel would be a lot of fun!

[Floont]

If you could keep it on the ground!

[Farfle]

If you could keep it on the ground!

hehe, nope, just modding them up to sell back to the community. re-wire, new halls, cooling vanes and temp probes.

[damcard]

re-wire, new halls

I thought these will have decent halls and wires already. What halls will you use? -Damcard

[Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh]

I think im mostly done with hub motors....

oh, why is that if you don't mind my asking?
whatever happened to I must own this motor! that's changed your mind from the beginning of the year?

TIA

[Arlo1]

I think im mostly done with hub motors....

oh, why is that if you don't mind my asking?
whatever happened to I must own this motor! that's changed your mind from the beginning of the year?

TIA

I am forever learning.... I have 3 collossus motors 2 big one small. As I learnt from lukes flaming cock motor every motor has its limits for power output at a given rpm. So the only way to make more power from the same motor is to volt up and gear down you cant do that with a hub motor! As well you can use a smaller motor that weighs less to make more power with a more centralized overall mass for the entire package! Don't get me wrong this motor is bad ass but I want performance and from an engineering stand point hub motors have no place on a race bike!

[Farfle]

I think im mostly done with hub motors....

oh, why is that if you don't mind my asking?
whatever happened to I must own this motor! that's changed your mind from the beginning of the year?

TIA

I am forever learning.... I have 3 collossus motors 2 big one small. As I learnt from lukes flaming cock motor every motor has its limits for power output at a given rpm. So the only way to make more power from the same motor is to volt up and gear down you cant do that with a hub motor! As well you can use a smaller motor that weighs less to make more power with a more centralized overall mass for the entire package! Don't get me wrong this motor is bad ass but I want performance and from an engineering stand point hub motors have no place on a race bike!

Very true, from a power to weight standpoint, hubmotors are absolutely horrible, horrible efficiency aswell. And even their burst power, IMHO there best feature, cannot really be used as they seem to reach magnetic saturation before anything impressive happens. BUT, That's an HX motor that was tested to its flaming plasma death, not an X5 IIRC. Having become quite intimate with the insides of both, I can say that an HX motor has about 1/2 of the Iron a X5300 and about 1/3 the thermal mass, not being attached to a massive aluminum casting. I'm betting that an X5300 hits saturation at about 14kw, and this new X5 at about 18Kw. and Even at 60% average Efficiency, that's one helluva lot of power, especially when you don't have to worry about it blowing your nards off if a controller throws a tantrum . I'm not quite done with them yet, there's some interesting possibilities with this motor in a very small wheel. at a very high voltage. with some serious cooling.

[Arlo1]

Very true, from a power to weight standpoint, hubmotors are absolutely horrible, horrible efficiency aswell. And even their burst power, IMHO there best feature, cannot really be used as they seem to reach magnetic saturation before anything impressive happens. BUT, That's an HX motor that was tested to its flaming plasma death, not an X5 IIRC. Having become quite intimate with the insides of both, I can say that an HX motor has about 1/2 of the Iron a X5300 and about 1/3 the thermal mass, not being attached to a massive aluminum casting. I'm betting that an X5300 hits saturation at about 14kw, and this new X5 at about 18Kw. and Even at 60% average Efficiency, that's one helluva lot of power, especially when you don't have to worry about it blowing your nards off if a controller throws a tantrum . I'm not quite done with them yet, there's some interesting possibilities with this motor in a very small wheel. at a very high voltage. with some serious cooling.

I spent a whole day dyno tuning my X5304 on 100volts with a 24 fet! I can melt the motor just as easy as luke did! The most HP my x5 can make is 6.53hp thats on 100v my top speed is 85km/h with a 20 inch wheel so I dont want more volts. Lukes motor made more power then mine because it was rewound to the best potential it could have mine is a stock x5304 with double phase wires and cooling fans! If I rewound it I would likely be able to make a little more power then luke but Im no interested in all the work right now. I have other things to finish like collossus which weighs less than 1/2 of an x5304 and can spike ~60hp for ten seconds thats about 6 times what you will ever see out of a x5404 with less then 1/3 the weight!

[Arlo1]

Sorry for the last post. This is a kick ass motor. Its going to be a long time till I can get collossus running properly. If I didn't have the X5304 already I would gladly get this one. This is a motor that 95% of the forum should consider. Its going to be turn key performance!

[Deutch420]

. there is one other solution,,,once i have a list of 10 or 15 people i can arrange a special shipment but it will cost a bit extra then the regular price,,,maybe add 20 dollars to the overall cost,,,then voila!,,,everyone can get their motors in a timely fashion!so send ur email addresses and we can make this happen!

So an additional $20 per person and we can order with 10-15 people. We're almost there. Im sure people wont mind spending another $20 to make this group buy happen at 15 hubs instead of 30. This offer still available Max?

[Floont]

...So an additional $20 per person and we can order with 10-15 people. We're almost there. Im sure people wont mind spending another $20 to make this group buy happen at 15 hubs instead of 30. This offer still available Max?

I know I'm ready.

[Doctorbass]

Very true, from a power to weight standpoint, hubmotors are absolutely horrible, horrible efficiency aswell. And even their burst power, IMHO there best feature, cannot really be used as they seem to reach magnetic saturation before anything impressive happens. BUT, That's an HX motor that was tested to its flaming plasma death, not an X5 IIRC. Having become quite intimate with the insides of both, I can say that an HX motor has about 1/2 of the Iron a X5300 and about 1/3 the thermal mass, not being attached to a massive aluminum casting. I'm betting that an X5300 hits saturation at about 14kw, and this new X5 at about 18Kw. and Even at 60% average Efficiency,

Believe i or not.. My X5303 at 100km/h and 8kW is 80% efficient .. and .. this is good to see that with the SWBLUTO and Ebikes.ca simulator, i get the same result..
At 11kW and 113km/h it is still 78% efficient

As well.. the 113kmh air cooling help keeping the motor coller

I am impatient to see the results with the 5403

Doc

[Hobbit]

. there is one other solution,,,once i have a list of 10 or 15 people i can arrange a special shipment but it will cost a bit extra then the regular price,,,maybe add 20 dollars to the overall cost,,,then voila!,,,everyone can get their motors in a timely fashion!so send ur email addresses and we can make this happen!

So an additional $20 per person and we can order with 10-15 people. We're almost there. Im sure people wont mind spending another $20 to make this group buy happen at 15 hubs instead of 30. This offer still available Max?

An extra $20 sounds excellent to speed things up... We could be waiting quite a while for another 21 buyers...

But now it's a little confusing if I'm included in the US Canada side of things...

[Floont]

maxwell65 communicated with me and the commitment is 10 right now. That total does NOT include farfle's 6, because max says farfle has not sent a commitment email or something like that. So, if farfle really will buy 6 as he says, then we would be at 16.

[maxwell65]

150mm dropout using a 7 speed cassette,,,7 speed cassette not included 20$
135mm dropout,but u can only use a one speed cassette or 3 speed cassette,,,(that is the only way it will fit in a standard 135mm rear drop-out) one or 3 speed cassette not included (no price on that yet)

Please clarify and acknowledge the difference between thread-on freewheels and cassettes.
Which is it?

Good idea as this seems to be causing some confusion.

Anyone know why these hub motors always come with the old fashion screw-on freewheel?

they are thread on cassettes,,,i do not know why they do not have the new types of cassettes,,but i will ask clyte and when i get a response from them i will post it here.,,,can anyone here explain how the new type of cassettes are in fact installed on regular installations,,,pics?

[Deutch420]

Sorry if someone already brought this up but;

Wouldn't it be a little easier if we had one forum memeber accept all the hub deliveries?... This one member should be able and willing to lace these hubs to a rim with high quality parts. (for a small fee. nothing is free ) Maybe ilia?

Im going to assume everyone will eventually need the hub laced up. And i dont know about you guys, but the people around me look at an electric hub and start scratching thier heads. I wouldnt trust a local to lace up my hub. So i figure having all the hubs shipped to one person who could lace and mount would save some people time/shipping.

Once again, sorry if someone already touched base on this. I know it would save me some time and money.

[Floont]

Looks like we may need 4 to 9 more. The Europeans and Aussies don't seem to be coming through with the orders.

[PaulD]

I'd bump my order from 1 to 2... anyone else want to up their ante?

[Floont]

I'd bump my order from 1 to 2... anyone else want to up their ante?

Me too, I commit for one rear 5404 and one front 5404 both with upgrades and disc mounts. (Total order 2 motors).

[Deutch420]

ill bump my order to 2 if needed.

[maxwell65]

GREAT NEWS
we are coming real close to our 30 MOQ,,,we may already be there,,im in contact with the europe and aussie guys and we are tallying up all figures,,,all participants will receive an email in a few days with instructions,,,i will post info here as well, so stay tuned as we are almost there.

[Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh]

just want to confirm, right now the cost is at $420, is that in american funds?
and just how firm is that price?

i know these things are never set in stone & it's already gone up from the initial highly optimistic $290.
how much of a factor is the fluctuating prices on Nd magnets, is that gonna be a problem?
can't see kenny eating the cost if they skyrocket between now & when it's ready to ship.

is it possible the price could still go up even after the order is placed?

[Deutch420]

GREAT NEWS
we are coming real close to our 30 MOQ,,,we may already be there,,im in contact with the europe and aussie guys and we are tallying up all figures,,,all participants will receive an email in a few days with instructions,,,i will post info here as well, so stay tuned as we are almost there.

[sabb]

I just sent Max an email to order one for me so I guess that makes 18

if Max cant get them where are we going to find 3 speed freewheels
Stephen

[Floont]

GREAT NEWS
we are coming real close to our 30 MOQ,,,we may already be there,,im in contact with the europe and aussie guys and we are tallying up all figures,,,all participants will receive an email in a few days with instructions...

I wonder how many days are "a few".