5403/5404 US/CANADA deadline! order is made!!!

[ryan]

Don't worry, it will show up eventually.

This is exactly what I'm concerned about. I need the bike on a shipping container next week. Otherwise I need to pay to have it shipped yet again. I suppose it's only been a little over 2 weeks since he took delivery, but I'd imagine he'd want to avoid storing the motors for too long.

I'm not slamming Max. He put in a ton of work to put this together. (Big thanks, Max!) I'm was just hoping to get some mountain riding time with the motor before I move away from the mountain roads. It's not the end of the world. Just a bummer.

[Deutch420]

So I got the hub mounted to a tire and i got everything on the bike. Sungged down the axel bolts, and the tire wouldnt spin!! So i figured the provided spacers were a "must use" spacer, not the spacers for the 150mm guys. So i tried to put the provided spacers on, and they were just too thick. Brought them over to my machinest, had him remove .150 from both of them and it works like a charm now. I assume everyone will run into this issue.

[teklektik]

...the wires are still getting pinched badly at the 90° point where it bends into the hub. Once u start to tightent the bolt, u see the wire getting squished. Maybe Doc had luck BC his dropouts are really thick. Normal sized dropouts are not thick enough to give the wire the space it needs.

Go to ebikes.ca and get a C-washer or two to get a little extra room. You should be able to position them on the outside of the dropout. Cap it off with one of the SS spacer washers from that site (with the axle-shaped cutout) that won't turn so the wires won't get abraded by the nut when you run it down.

[itchynackers]

This is the same problem we were talking of in the other thread. My plan is to get more c washers for the wire side, and more axle spacer washers for the non-wire side, so that when you clamp down, the pressure is on the washers, not the freewheel, or wires.

[ryan]

Yes, I brought this up in DoctorBass's 5404 review thread.

[ryan]

Just heard from Max. My motor should be delivered Thursday! Maybe I'll get a weekend with it after all!

[Evoforce]

Received my motors today, wooo hooo! What nice looking beasts. I did find metal shavings in the rim holes and sharp edges around them so watch for that otherwise a flat will occur. Can't wait to have the time to fit these to their respective projects. The spokes seem a little pretzeled around on my 26" rim but maybe thats the only way they will work. Anyway...Thanks to those that made this group buy all work out for these awesome motors!

[Drunkskunk]

Got my Motor today!

Well, it was here on the 2nd, but the Postoffice didn't leave a notice. So its been waiting for me for a week.

Damn this is a Sexy beast.

[wojtek]

has anyone made this 54xx working with Lyen controller? if so, can you confirm the colouring? thanks!!!

Lyen Controller to Crystalyte motor wire color lining:

Controller: Motor:
HALL:
Yellow Yellow
Green Blue
Blue Green

PHASE:
Yellow Blue
Green Green
Blue Yellow

[ZOMGVTEK]

has anyone made this 54xx working with Lyen controller? if so, can you confirm the colouring? thanks!!!

That's what I used, and it worked. I only have a few dozen rotations on the motor, but it appears to be correct.

...I even posted it earlier viewtopic.php?f=31&t=31332&start=240#p559736

[damcard]

Picked up my motor from the post office today. Wow, it is a beast! May have to counter the weight by using my 5304 on the front. Thanks a lot for all the work everyone. Awesome group buy. Now if I can just get my swingarms/motor/controller from Farfle. -Damcard

[Deutch420]

has anyone made this 54xx working with Lyen controller? if so, can you confirm the colouring? thanks!!!

That's what I used, and it worked. I only have a few dozen rotations on the motor, but it appears to be correct.

...I even posted it earlier http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/vi ... 40#p559736

Your right. 4 miles on my 5403, all WOT with that color combo on a lyen controller.

[Andje]

Got my 5400's today. Very happy. I was having trouble getting the side cover off, but then i knocked it over on its side and the slight shock broke the seal and the covers came off like butter as i am used to with the 5304. It has that new varnish smell; intoxicating. Can't wait to put some color into those virgin windings

Thanks for all the effort guys.

[Deutch420]

Quick update. Both sides of my axels are stripped on ONLY the top axel threads. The bottom threads are fine. Reused the hardware on my 5304 and it works fine. This means my axle material is softer than my axel nuts.
I seriously hope this isn't the case for everyone. I will never, ever buy anything from Crystalyte again.
Looks like I'm back to my good ol' 5304 until I can get pinching dropouts or a new axel. Whopping 4 miles and 2 installs on the hub, already needs new axel. Lmao
Users beware!

[ZOMGVTEK]

How much force did it take to trash the threads? I would assume you're not being too rough on it, since the GM and 53xx are perfectly fine at similar torques?

Is anyone else running one of these yet? I'll just run some bolts through my dropouts and clamp the axle hardcore.

EDIT: Just noticed both you and max claim the same issue. Probably means they're all going to be the same deal...

[Deutch420]

How much force did it take to trash the threads? I would assume you're not being too rough on it, since the GM and 53xx are perfectly fine at similar torques?

Is anyone else running one of these yet? I'll just run some bolts through my dropouts and clamp the axle hardcore.

EDIT: Just noticed both you and max claim the same issue. Probably means they're all going to be the same deal...

It didn't take much force at all. 1 finger on the wrench. Normally I snug them down with all my might. GM and 5304 threads are perfect after 50 installs with this method. 5403 stripped before I could get it tight enough to feel safe riding ( this was on my 2nd install)


Apparently Wojtek had the same problem. The threads on only the top of the axle peeled right off for him too. Looks like its going to be a headach for all...

unfortunately it is for me too

only on one side upper thread - indeed goes like onion!

[Evoforce]

I don't see anything in max's postings that about his axle stripping. Could someone please reference this?

[Evoforce]

I had the axles sticking out of the shipping boxes when they arrived at my home. Could it be possible yours were damaged in shipping?

[flathill]

I just read this on ebikes.ca:

Axle Threads Poorly Machined, Stripped

We always tell people to really do the axle nuts up as tight as possible to prevent axle spinout. However, Crystalyte turns the threads on a lathe rather than with a die and sometimes the tolerances are off. The nuts can be hard to spin on, or they can be so loose that the threads strip when the nut is tightened.

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Threading on a lathe can give better results...if u know what you are doing

[Deutch420]

I had the axles sticking out of the shipping boxes when they arrived at my home. Could it be possible yours were damaged in shipping?

Anything is possible. However, i doubt that. My box was perfectly intact. The threads appeared perfect upon arrival and initial install.
What is odd to me is that only the threads on the top of the axel are getting ruined. (having your phase wires exit out the bottom of your dropout should help determine the "top" and "bottom" im talking about). I've turned my share of bolts in my lifetime. Ive never seen any situation (other that this) where only 1/2 the threads on the same bolt peel off. And for this exact scenario to happen to both me AND wojtek...?

I just read this on ebikes.ca:

Axle Threads Poorly Machined, Stripped

We always tell people to really do the axle nuts up as tight as possible to prevent axle spinout. However, Crystalyte turns the threads on a lathe rather than with a die and sometimes the tolerances are off. The nuts can be hard to spin on, or they can be so loose that the threads strip when the nut is tightened.

Sounds like exactly what happened to me. I wasnt even close to being snug when it just kept spinning without moving. I started with my vulgor expletives and removed the hub (knowing it was useless without repair) and re-installed the 5304. Used the SAME hardware (however dumb it was) on the 5304 and it worked fine. So that rules out the nut being the cause of damage to the axle. And even if the nut was bad, the axle should ruin the nut, NOT the nut ruins the axle!!

[flathill]

someone needs to measure the major diameter of the axle and the minor diameter of the nut

[Evoforce]

I Personally don't believe that there should be grease on the axles out where the nuts need to be torqued. You wouldn't do that with automobile lug. These are also the nylon lock styles nuts that may not tolerate grease. I also have made a discovery about my 26 inch rim. It is laced incorrectly. Everyone should also check for that problem. No wonder they look so pretzeled.

[Deutch420]

I Personally don't believe that there should be grease on the axles out where the nuts need to be torqued. You wouldn't do that with automobile lug. These are also the nylon lock styles nuts that may not tolerate grease. I also have made a discovery about my 26 inch rim. It is laced incorrectly. Everyone should also check for that problem. No wonder they look so pretzeled.

What's wrong with the lace? Other than every spoke being a pretzle.

[wojtek]

and other than they are laced the way that there is no place for a pump to get on the valve...

[Evoforce]

The spokes that are threaded from inside and then wrap to outside of the cast then tuck back behind the spokes that are laced towards the inside of the cast hub. It applies side force to each pair of spokes causing them to basically spaghetti around each other. My rim does not experience the trouble of not being able get the pump on the valve.