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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby neptronix » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:11 pm

Sorry if this is threadjacking, but i wanted to show that i put lipstick on this pig and it worked well.

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Fox Float RC on the rear, Rockshox dual crown Judy on the front.

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All steel parts headed to trash bin. The bike lost tons of weight by swapping them out. Similar weight to my Trek hardtails now :). The bike is 38lbs shipped, i'm sure i've got it down to 30 or lower.

This is a good platform. It is a hoot to ride even without power. Farfle, i hope you continue to make these swing arms.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby SkyknightJohn » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:49 pm

It's not CAD or Sketchup, but here are some dimensions for battery planning...

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The yellow square is 12" on the A and B legs for comparison.
The boxes on the lower pic are mockups of cell_man's 36v block packs - neither of which will fit in the triangle without crushing up against the shock.

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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby RallySTX » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:30 pm

Subscribed, and +1 for Farfle's good work. Looking for custom frame brackets to hold a battery box now. Gotta see what they want for a Genny.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby neptronix » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:35 pm

Has anyone weighed theirs?
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The girlfriend bike: 350W front MAC on a 700c Trek.
The wheelie machine: 20" Rear Magic Pie II on a Trek 4300 MTB
The Bus: ??? on a 'da bomb' cargo bike frame

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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby chroot » Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:29 pm

@neptronix Looks sweet Genesis bike. Did it makes difference when you ride with the fox rear shock and judy front shock?
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby neptronix » Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:32 pm

oh hell yes it did. It rides like a real DS bike now :)
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The girlfriend bike: 350W front MAC on a 700c Trek.
The wheelie machine: 20" Rear Magic Pie II on a Trek 4300 MTB
The Bus: ??? on a 'da bomb' cargo bike frame

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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby nicobie » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:41 pm

neptronix wrote:oh hell yes it did. It rides like a real DS bike now :)


I didn't know that you had the extended swing arm that this thread is talking about. :?:
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May your tote always stay tight and your edge eversharp :wink:

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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby neptronix » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:54 pm

nicobie wrote:
neptronix wrote:oh hell yes it did. It rides like a real DS bike now :)


I didn't know that you had the extended swing arm that this thread is talking about. :?:


Very funny. I think it would help things. But currently it is not electrified. :)
It is the first dual suspension bike i've ever owned. So my opinion is probably a little skewed as to what i think a real DS bike is.
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The wheelie machine: 20" Rear Magic Pie II on a Trek 4300 MTB
The Bus: ??? on a 'da bomb' cargo bike frame

Pro-tips for noobs: Charge RC Lipos to 4.15v, stop discharging at 3.5-3.6v | Use torque plates/arms! | Rear mounted hubs are always best
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby damcard » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:19 pm

neptronix wrote:Has anyone weighed theirs?


I have been waiting since November for mine. Still not here. Farfle???
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby gensem » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:45 pm

Its a little hard to get in touch with Farfle. Im still waiting but mine has not arrived aswell...
A decent 25mph bike will cost around $1000.
A decent 35mph bike will cost around $2000.
A $1000 35mph bike will get you killed.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby damcard » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:06 pm

He just sent me a message. He said he will ship it out when he gets back in town. -Damcard
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby gensem » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:28 pm

damcard wrote:He just sent me a message. He said he will ship it out when he gets back in town. -Damcard


Ya, mine is probably stucked in customs.
A decent 25mph bike will cost around $1000.
A decent 35mph bike will cost around $2000.
A $1000 35mph bike will get you killed.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby nicobie » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:28 pm

Yea, Farfle is a bit slow,

but has always came through.
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May your tote always stay tight and your edge eversharp :wink:

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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby SkyknightJohn » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:51 pm

Had my son help me with a sketchup of the frame.
I Can't upload a skp file, though. If there's a way, tell me how and I'll post that too.

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[Edit: thought I had some battery packs drawn up, too, but realized it was only half the cells... back to the drawing board]
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby GITech » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:49 pm

Cool skyknight! Is it accurate? (I'd guess so, just thought I'd ask)

Oh, is it in inch or mm?

You can just upload it to the sketchup werehouse and post the link. ;)

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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby SkyknightJohn » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:45 pm

It's in mm. It's not machine shop accurate, but it's pretty close. Done with a tape measure and protractor and naked eye. The shock and supports are in the right location, but their shapes are a little generic. I was most concerned with the interior of the triangle space being accurate.

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=6f05bf6bee7f6ff145f7a914e754cbb2
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby auraslip » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:30 pm

John - AWESOME

4s hard case pack http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... ac51ab3f03

6s pack http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/ ... ac51ab3f03

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looks like you could fit 22 4s packs.... but with a box it'd probably be less. Maybe you could do 24s3p with a box.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby ZOMGVTEK » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:07 pm

I'm not that sure about 24S3P...

This is 24S2P...

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Of course, this includes some space for padding. Even jammed in really good, I don't think 24S3P is possible inside the frame without some serious jamming. I can only probably fit 1 MAAAYYBIE 2 more packs in there. 4 more probably won't work out well.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby auraslip » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:14 pm

I used 4s packs in the drawing which are slimmer FWIW
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby ZOMGVTEK » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:43 pm

I used the dimensions listed for the 4S packs, and made up a CAD render of the foam block a while ago. I basically decided it wasn't practical to actually fit, protect, and wire in anything beyond 24S2P in the V2100 frame. It's probably possible, but I would like things to be reliable, secure, and easy to repair/replace/diagnose.

And by CAD, I mean cardboard... It's functional.

Plus, I really need to fit 24S4P, so I will just toss them on the rear rack.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby auraslip » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:26 pm

I look forward to seeing how you work out the rear rack. Should be ~13 lbs back there. I guess it's not too bad. You could probably build a box out of balsa like I'm doing for my current build. Light weight and will be like foam in a crash.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby ZOMGVTEK » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:30 pm

My 1st build had 59lbs on the rear rack. It broke my seatpost. Twice.

I'm guessing 15 or so is fine.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby auraslip » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:36 pm

lol I remember my lead acid days. Everyone who rode the bike dropped it cause it was so heavy.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby SkyknightJohn » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:25 pm

OK, so it won't satisfy you power-hungry riders, but for the A123 users, Cell_Man said he can do a 12s5p triangle (~36v ~11.5Ah) (26650 cells) and it looks like it will fit, with some wiggle room for padding/wires.

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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby Evoforce » Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:52 am

I had a seatpost made out of solid stainless so that it wouldn't break!
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