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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby ZOMGVTEK » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:21 pm

GITech wrote:BTW: My +4.5" extended aluminum swingarm for my Genesis build should be done this afternoon (so the welder said), and I just got my box of goodies from Thud for the transmission! :)


You're in Depew, NY?

I'm in Lancaster... It's surprising another e-biker can be that close to me!
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby GITech » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:33 pm

Oh, Sweet! :D

I was hoping to find some new friends close by that shared my interests. Would you like to meet? PM me your ph# if you'd like!

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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby ZOMGVTEK » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:44 am

At some point, my swingarm is supposed to show up.

When that happens, we can see how your efforts compare to my bolt-on frock. :D
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby gensem » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:32 am

I know why the swing arm has not show yet... seems like brazilian customs are now holding everything that comes from USA for 90 days in an attempt to make us citizens buy less stuff in USA. Pretty lame IMO.
Now my projects ll be delayed even further.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby neptronix » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:38 pm

that's so retarded. :|
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby gensem » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:43 pm

neptronix wrote:that's so retarded. :|


Tell me about it... I feel so abused, worst part is that I cannot do anything. Maybe someone from US can speak with an american politician and say Brazilian customers are behing tricked by government. You know, pressure from the outside is always better and as far as I know Brazil is very good customer to US.

Have a look for yourself, translation is not perfect, but its good enough.
http://translate.google.com.br/translat ... dos-eua%2F
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby ZOMGVTEK » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:27 am

gensem wrote:I know why the swing arm has not show yet... seems like brazilian customs are now holding everything that comes from USA for 90 days in an attempt to make us citizens buy less stuff in USA. Pretty lame IMO.
Now my projects ll be delayed even further.


That's no good... Is it that common for people to buy stuff from the US over there?

Are you sure it was even shipped? I was in on the first batch, live in the US, and still didn't get my swingarm yet. :/
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby gensem » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:48 pm

ZOMGVTEK wrote:
gensem wrote:I know why the swing arm has not show yet... seems like brazilian customs are now holding everything that comes from USA for 90 days in an attempt to make us citizens buy less stuff in USA. Pretty lame IMO.
Now my projects ll be delayed even further.


That's no good... Is it that common for people to buy stuff from the US over there?

Are you sure it was even shipped? I was in on the first batch, live in the US, and still didn't get my swingarm yet. :/


Im not sure if it was shipped too, coz I got no tracking number and Farfle does not reply to pms.
Either way I posted the news about the custom policy thats being enforced now because it really pissed me. Imagine if im about to ride my ebike and find that I need a bolt or a clamp thats only made in US, that means waiting about 100 days. Its really a kick in the nuts when you are doing things like an ebike that need alot of parts that are not available here.
Stuff in the US is cheaper than local, I dont have any official data but im sure that millions of brazilians do buy from US using mail services like USPS.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby Bayan M » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:34 pm

Have you figured out how to program and get the controller running ? It's a sevcon gen4 right?
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby GITech » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:02 pm

ZOMGVTEK wrote:At some point, my swingarm is supposed to show up.

When that happens, we can see how your efforts compare to my bolt-on frock. :D


ZOMGVTEK wrote:
gensem wrote:That's no good... Is it that common for people to buy stuff from the US over there?

Are you sure it was even shipped? I was in on the first batch, live in the US, and still didn't get my swingarm yet. :/


Im not sure if it was shipped too, coz I got no tracking number and Farfle does not reply to pms.
Either way I posted the news about the custom policy thats being enforced now because it really pissed me. Imagine if im about to ride my ebike and find that I need a bolt or a clamp thats only made in US, that means waiting about 100 days. Its really a kick in the nuts when you are doing things like an ebike that need alot of parts that are not available here.
Stuff in the US is cheaper than local, I dont have any official data but im sure that millions of brazilians do buy from US using mail services like USPS.


You guys never got a tracking #?! Is it too late to cancel or dispute the transaction?

With Farfle posting in other places on the forum and then not even replying to the PM's of his paid customers...I'd say it's time to drop the benefit of the doubt and start taking this seriously before you guys get burnt!!!

I wish I could help you out gensem, it would be good to find out if it was in fact shipped and is really just stuck in customs.

ZOMVTEK, cool, I've been out on my build a few times on just 6s 10Ah and a super simple 190-200 esc. It is a climber, I've not been able to stop the back wheel yet in my quest to find the steapest hills around the train tracks by walden and transit. So much torque! :twisted: I've got 8 of the 4s cardcase packs on the way from HK, so it won't be too long before I'm up and running. Since you are close and IF you never get your swingarm, would you like an aluminum one like mine? I could help you out. :wink:

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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby gensem » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:52 pm

I payed him like 3 months ago, Its not like I can dispute anything anymore. Im still waiting for the goods.... :|
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby ZOMGVTEK » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:00 pm

GITech wrote:ZOMVTEK, cool, I've been out on my build a few times on just 6s 10Ah and a super simple 190-200 esc. It is a climber, I've not been able to stop the back wheel yet in my quest to find the steapest hills around the train tracks by walden and transit. So much torque! :twisted: I've got 8 of the 4s cardcase packs on the way from HK, so it won't be too long before I'm up and running. Since you are close and IF you never get your swingarm, would you like an aluminum one like mine? I could help you out. :wink:


Your swingarm looks nice, but I need a whole lot of steel to keep my hub on the bike. The few extra lbs isnt a concern when the rear tire is about 40lbs.

I think my swingarm exists and is ready, it just needs to be shipped at some point. Farfles communication leaves something to be desired, but the little he did tell me sounded factual. He claims its done and ready to go out, but also said it would ship two weeks ago. It just would be nice to know when the thing is going to show up. My bike can't go anywhere without it, and I tore my old bike down since I didn't anticipate 3 months downtime. I suppose its just the waiting game at this point...

I'll toss you a PM when the bike is ready to go and we can meet up. Hopefully its sometime within a week or two...
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby Farfle » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:07 pm

Sorry for the lack of communication everybody, gensem your swingarm and frame was put in the outbox several weeks ago, Zomgvteks special swingarm went out monday, and damcards pair of special swingarms, motor and controller went out yesterday. Thank you Bigmoose for the PM, ES's email notifications are being blocked for some reason.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby damcard » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:37 am

Farfle, can you pm me a tracking number? -Damcard
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby ZOMGVTEK » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:30 am

Ruhoh.

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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby Farfle » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:44 am

Doh! did I not knock the powdercoat out of the dropouts? Usps got that thing there quick!
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby GITech » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:59 am

ZOMGVTEK wrote:Ruhoh.

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:shock: Sweet! 8)

We'll, we can't meet up for a ride for a while though...I broke my collar bone into 3 pieces on thursday. A ~3" dia tree branch was at an angle in my path and it just kicked my front tire out from under me. SOAB! I'm down for the count I guess. :evil:

Nice batt box, do you have a break to bend it with?

Farfle, no hard feelings..I was just kickin up some dirt to try and help... :wink:

One handed typing, bahhh!

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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby Hardcarve1 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:23 pm

I just had a similar crash the other night when my front tyre went over a half inch stick and slid out while I was apexed on a bend. Only problem was I was entering a small tunnel and whent straight into the concrete wall and then was thrown out onto the path. No broken bones but a serious hematoma on my left elbow.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby damcard » Tue May 01, 2012 11:42 pm

Whoo Hoo, I got my swingarms, motor, and controller! Thanks for coming through Farfle. What size did you thread the axle to? -Damcard
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby ZOMGVTEK » Wed May 02, 2012 8:43 am

GITech wrote:We'll, we can't meet up for a ride for a while though...I broke my collar bone into 3 pieces on thursday. A ~3" dia tree branch was at an angle in my path and it just kicked my front tire out from under me. SOAB! I'm down for the count I guess. :evil:

Nice batt box, do you have a break to bend it with?


That's no good... Something like a month to heal?

A member bent the box for me. That made things easy.

I need to get some more batts, I've been using 80-100Wh/Mi...
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby Farfle » Wed May 02, 2012 9:40 am

Woot! Glad the box made it there, I think the axle nuts are either 1/2" coarse, or 7/16" coarse. also, the skinny swingarm has to have a spacer between the disk mount and the caliper on the front bolt.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby GITech » Wed May 02, 2012 4:39 pm

Hardcarve1 wrote:I just had a similar crash the other night when my front tyre went over a half inch stick and slid out while I was apexed on a bend. Only problem was I was entering a small tunnel and whent straight into the concrete wall and then was thrown out onto the path. No broken bones but a serious hematoma on my left elbow.


Oooooo, ouch! Sorry to hear that! Do you have elbo pads?! ;) I was wearing full sleeve upper body armor, but all that padding and plastic didn't help with the impact to my collar bone. I wonder if there is body armor that has ridged sholder pads or something that can help protect the collar bone from seeing the full force of a shoulder impact?!

I just had surgury on it last night. They put in a plate and screws. They said it was so bad they had to put in a big plate so it will have to be removed once the bone heals. :|

I need more practice! :twisted:

ZOMGVTEK wrote:
GITech wrote:We'll, we can't meet up for a ride for a while though...I broke my collar bone into 3 pieces on thursday. A ~3" dia tree branch was at an angle in my path and it just kicked my front tire out from under me. SOAB! I'm down for the count I guess. :evil:

Nice batt box, do you have a break to bend it with?


That's no good... Something like a month to heal?

A member bent the box for me. That made things easy.

I need to get some more batts, I've been using 80-100Wh/Mi...


They said ~2 months before I can do normal stuff carefully. I guess it's a bad break. :roll:

Oh, cool. people on ES can be so nice, like Thud who helped me by doing the machining on my drive train components and making the two rear axle to kart sprocket adaptors I needed at a fair price!

I've got some thin ~1/16 3031 alu so it will be easy to bend for my batt box which will hold 20 of the 4s 5000mah hardcase packs in a 16s5p config. I'll post a pic of my sketchup using the frame and batt models you guys posted up here. Thanks for the models guys!!

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This pic shows a 203mm line at the bottom bracket location to represent the 203mm BB cartridge (from sickbikeparts) that is on the bike to allow clearence for the the crank from the wide swing arm, motor and lipos. I like the peddles futher apart like this too!
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80-100wh/mi?! Wow, is that 'cause you ride off road a lot? How much capacity do you have now?

I've got a question for you ZOM, I've got in my 13AWG wire to rewind my motor with, do you think you might be able to give me a (second :roll: ) hand in doing the rewind? If you have the time of coarse!

Later guys,
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby ZOMGVTEK » Wed May 02, 2012 6:15 pm

My pack is 888Wh, I can kill it in a few minutes now.
I don't really do any offroading, nothing is close enough for me to be able to get there and back alone. I was just mostly doing repeated WOT runs, into regen, into WOT, testing out the new motor.

I'm probably going to snag another 24s2p config of the 4S packs if they ever show up in the US warehouse. That should make the range acceptable.

I have zero experience with RC setups, and definitely never rewound a motor. It sounds like a fair bit of work. It might be a fun project, but I don't have a whole lot of spare time lately. I probably have another few weeks before I even manage to get the bike done enough to start taking it anywhere, which would be nice.
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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby GITech » Wed May 09, 2012 11:23 am

ZOMGVTEK wrote:My pack is 888Wh, I can kill it in a few minutes now.
I don't really do any offroading, nothing is close enough for me to be able to get there and back alone. I was just mostly doing repeated WOT runs, into regen, into WOT, testing out the new motor.

I'm probably going to snag another 24s2p config of the 4S packs if they ever show up in the US warehouse. That should make the range acceptable.

I have zero experience with RC setups, and definitely never rewound a motor. It sounds like a fair bit of work. It might be a fun project, but I don't have a whole lot of spare time lately. I probably have another few weeks before I even manage to get the bike done enough to start taking it anywhere, which would be nice.


Ah, your beating it to death! :twisted: Hehe, cool, fun is fun! :twisted:

I've had 16 of the 4s hardcase packs on backorder from the USA WH since the begining of March...so if you want some I'd get you order in ASAP. I've been trying to get HK to say they will be restocked for sure and they have finnaly said that they WILL be restocked so....that's good. It's a big deal for HK to give a straight answer, ya know! :|

No prob man, I've actually begun my rewind (1-1/2 handed :P ). The start came out good, but I can tell that I can't get 6turns of 13awg wire on there for a full rewind...sooooo close, but no go. I just got 14awg wire in today so I will be starting over and do a 14awg 6turn wye wind.

Also here is my latest sketchup with what I think will be the final lipo layout on my build.

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Re: Genesis extended swingarm sale thread.

Postby boppinbob » Thu May 24, 2012 10:51 am

Farfle check your pm' s. Do u have any swing arms left?!!!
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