Good time to buy Tesla Roadster or a Wrecked Model S?

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Hi,

https://cleantechnica.com/2015/01/06/now-is-a-great-time-to-buy-a-tesla-roadster/
Now Is A Great Time To Buy A Tesla Roadster

On Christmas Day, Elon Musk announced that a new 400-mile battery pack upgrade would be offered to Tesla Roadster owners, giving it even more driving range than the Model S. As it turns out, now is a great time to buy a used Roadster. As one example, one recently sold on eBay
for less than $55,000… about what you’d pay to buy a Toyota RAV4 EV (if you could find one, that is).

eBay said:
2008 Tesla Roadster
2008 Tesla Roadster # 265
updated and maintained by Tesla Motors

Item condition: Used
“11691 miles /one small ding on front bumper”

Winning bid: US $54,300.00

So what’s a $100,000 Tesla Roadster doing selling for about half its original price? One word, friends… depreciation. It’s a bitch, especially when you buy a high-end vehicle like a Tesla. Also keep in mind that this was a 2008 Tesla Roadster, built in 2007, which means it’s already over eight years old! All in all, that’s about what one should expect to pay for a Roadster these days, even a Certified Pre-Owned one from Tesla itself.

This particular Roadster just has about 11,700 miles on it so far and comes with all the home charging equipment needed to plug it in. It’s also got the adjustable suspension upgrade and the hardtop, two items you definitely want to go with your Roadster. With only 2,400 of the first-gen Teslas sold, though, this is an item that could actually appreciate significantly in value one day down the road, especially if the electric automaker becomes a truly global player. And now with Tesla offering a 400-mile upgrade, you won’t be stuck driving old-hat technology for much longer.

This is a future classic at a bargain price, and one day Tesla Roadsters will be prized by car collectors. I guarantee it.
 
Hi,

It looks like you should be able to get a great deal on a wrecked Model S, with relatively minor damage (if you can buy the parts required to fix it!):
http://gas2.org/2015/01/06/this-is-what-30000-of-damage-looks-like-on-a-tesla-model-s/
This Is What $30,000 Of Damage Looks Like On A Tesla Model S
tesla-accident.jpg

Tesla Motors has tackled a number of pressing issues in the auto industry, from electric cars to direct sales. But one thing Tesla can’t control are the high costs of repairs that comes with the newness and relative rareness of the Model S. A Model S owner recently found out the hard way that even seemingly minor damage can total a $90,000 vehicle due to the high costs of repairs.

Over at the Tesla Motors Club, forum by new user standardcode, who posted that after a year of happy ownership, his Tesla Model S 85 was involved in (what looks like) a relatively minor accident. A flat tire, a damaged door, some wheel well damage…too bad to drive around with, but surely not enough to total a car that sold for around $90,000, right? Wrong. I’ll the post speak for itself:
So the Tesla-certified body shop takes apart my car to check for the damage and meets the appraiser sent by my insurance (Ameriprise) to discuss the repair. A day later it turns out that Ameriprise is declaring my baby a total loss!! Why you ask? Apparently Tesla-certified body shops aren’t cheap. In addition to the $10,000 in parts there’s $20,000 in labor. Ameriprise decided they’d rather declare the car a total loss than pay $30k+tax for repair.
$10,000 in parts sounds about right [not to me!], but $20,000 in labor? How? Well just as exclusive as the Model S are Tesla-certified body shops. Back in March, Fender Bender ran a story talking to two body shops that had taken the Tesla certification. In both cases the certification was relatively easy and simple, requiring three five-day courses at $1,500 each and a special $30,000 riveter, and within days Tesla was sending in vehicles to get repairs. In short orders Teslas started coming through, four or five a week in both cases, making up as much as a quarter of each shop’s weekly work.

Of course when it comes to repairing luxury cars, neither parts nor labor is cheap. But in standardcode’s case, the $30,000 quote seems way out of line with the pictured damage, unless there’s some serious carnage we’re just not seeing. It has him reconsidering making another Tesla purchase, as the high cost of repairs at the moment is understandably frustrating. Is this a case of a shop taking advantage of a customer/insurance company? It’s worth noting that standardcode’s insurer, Ameriprise, has pretty awful ratings (just Google ‘em). They’re the same insurance company you get out of Costco, and why anyone would insure a $90,000 automobile with a Costco-approved insurance company is beyond me. I love Costco…but maybe not for insurance.

More “established” brands have less of an issue, as there are generally more body shops to choose from, as well as a larger parts bin to pull from. Tesla will only sell parts to certified shops too [which sucks!], and because the shops are working on high-end cars, their work comes with a hefty premium. It’s another one of the drawbacks of being an early adopter, though in this case it may be the Tesla’s aluminum body, rather than its electric drivetrain, that is the source of ownership woes.

It’s been suggested that one potential issue is frame damage, specifically “ripples” in the overlapping sheets of aluminum bonded to form the frame. Replacing these requires a lot of labor-intensive work, driving costs up, in the case of one Tesla-owning redittor to the tune of nearly $68,000 (though the damage to his car was far more serious). There are similar concerns with the 2015 Ford F-150, which is also utilizing an aluminum body, and Ford is working to ensure that owners have plenty of options when it comes to getting their pickups fixed. Right now though there just aren’t enough shops to go around, and that may mean that these shops can upcharge wealthy owners who don’t really have any alternatives.
 
That repair quote of $30,000 is ridiculous. You should be able to re-shell the car for less than that...

Regarding the 8 year old Roadster selling for 55% of its new price, that's exceptionally *low* depreciation for a car. Especially considering the battery must be must about had it. The average ICE car (which doesn't have the battery liability) typically depreciates something like 70% over the first three years.
 
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