Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by byebyepetrol » Mar 17, 2017 4:45 am

Bad news, the local fix-it guy couldn't fix-it. He simply said it was ok, the voltage coming out
of the charger was good and the voltage coming out of the battery was 36v and "pretty good too".

I gave up trying to explain the battery should be 42 v after a successful charge and the charger usually spins its fan up
to dissipate heat during the 3-4 amp charge. Which it doesn't now. So I rode it back to work watching the 3 bars on the display dwindle to 2.
Plugged it in at work and it still doesn't charge. Rode gingerly home on level 1.

I still reckon it's the bms motherboard and I'll have to find a bms from somewhere but in the meantime I took a leap of faith (since I've never bought from them before) and
ordered a 17Ahr Panasonic 18650 3400mAh bottle battery from Aliexpress:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-sh ... 82185.html

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by tomjasz » Mar 27, 2017 10:21 pm

A shot in the dark or verified seller? Brand, Booant?
Thanks Justin_le we're here thanks to you. All the best to the mods for their tireless work keeping it on an even keel.

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by byebyepetrol » Mar 28, 2017 12:23 am

Hi Tom,
It's a shot in the dark.
It should arrive soon. Stay tuned.
Chris.

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by tomjasz » Mar 28, 2017 12:43 am

byebyepetrol wrote:Hi Tom,
It's a shot in the dark.
It should arrive soon. Stay tuned.
Chris.
Dang, i had a good lead for a trusted source. I hope it works out.

All the best,

Tom
Thanks Justin_le we're here thanks to you. All the best to the mods for their tireless work keeping it on an even keel.

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by byebyepetrol » Apr 12, 2017 10:37 am

I'm a patient man but it's wearing thin.

Battery not arrived from China, paid for 18th March.
There's two days left before I log a dispute.

Sky Technologies
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1473151


My busted BMS was shipped to a local retailer 2 weeks ago, e-max.com.au but I haven't received any
advice from them on its status.

Feb 1st was the last time I had the luxury of an electric drive-train, that's 10 weeks.

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by byebyepetrol » Apr 12, 2017 8:00 pm

To Sky Technologies:
2017-04-12 08:26:55
Please advise of status of item.
Item purchased 16th March.
regards,
Chris Adams

This back from Sky Technologies last night:

Alice Lin
2017-04-12 16:37:08
hi,dear
thanks for your kind reminding,you know .it's very hard to send battery this time,DHL,Fedex,UPS all can't accept battery shipping ,so we send it via shipping company's own airplane to your custom,then send it to you via Australia post .
and we will pay the tax in the custom,you don't need to pay any again .
but for this package,it need about 7-10 days from China to your custom ,so there will be updated information after 7-10 working days for this tracking number .hope you can understand!
there will be updated information once it completed clearance.
if you have any other questions,feel free to contact with us .
Best wishes
Chris Adams

Warning
So if you're thinking of getting a battery in from this business ensure you have shipping details in writing before committing to anything.
Their point of sale info doesn't say anything about "...hard to send battery...".

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by tomjasz » Apr 15, 2017 12:44 am

Hard to be sympathetic when someone makes "a shot in the dark". I feel your pain but many here could given you a sure thing...im sorry to read its become a problem...
Thanks Justin_le we're here thanks to you. All the best to the mods for their tireless work keeping it on an even keel.

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by byebyepetrol » Apr 18, 2017 2:32 pm

Hooray!
Battery arrived yesterday and after a bit of cutting and soldering I gave it a sound thrashing
to work and back.
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It's mounted lower down than the "Dolphin" style pack with very little clearance to the seat tube.

Full-throttle stationary wheel-in-the-air is 53kmh.

It doesn't have the on-off switch either which I prefer so now to turn it on you use the handlebar mounted
switch.

Charger has no fan and charge indication is simply a red led for charging and green for full.
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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by 2old » Apr 19, 2017 12:27 am

Looks pretty sleek; good job, Chris. Hope that you can leave your battery in the house unlike mine that stayed too warm after the last time I charged it and now resides outside.

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by Lurkin » Apr 19, 2017 6:06 am

After 10k+ commuting with a BBS01... for bike like speed these units are seriously underrated. Quiet, efficient... pretty straightforward really.

The more salient points after reading your thread:
- I have given up on 10 speed entirely. Its a just a marketing ploy for a thinner, weaker, more chewable drivetrain. Partners 9 speed has better wear and is much cheaper on parts. I have finished putting a 26" 9 speed bike together in the last couple of days... to be tested. The less gears, the more gap between them, the thicker chain construction can be.... the more aggressive the chainline between outer gears.
- I saw wiggle being mentioned in here, I usually buy from CRC as its usually cheaper with more range and is always cheaper than local.
- I have had surprisingly good wear from narrow wide chainrings... including Lekkie.
- Grease isn't really a ram it in till nothing more fits. This was the first approach I had and its just wrong. All that achieves is ramming into areas you don't want it in... reduction gear grease sneaking into the other side of the unit etc... generous and frequent greasing with the correct greases is the key. This also cleans the crud that sneaks past the seals to the reduction gear area out and ensure premature wear does not ensue. It reminds me very much of cup and cone bearings on shimano/older bikes... they can last ridiculous periods of time with the right maintenance.
- I will be commute testing both cheapish geared motor and DD alternatives in the near future as soon as I can be bothered with making my own battery/ move location. I'm not buying the hub/mid drive debate, its time to put them to the test.
- cheap batteries are a bit of a risk... you just don't really know what you are getting... Interesting though, I have found BMS sourcing to be the biggest headache out, mainly because I lack the skill and time to figure out the best means of testing their operation. I usually find people have selected a BMS based on what they have read about a vendor or alleged by someone else rather than any form of actual testing to inspire confidence. Once I'm sorted in the new man cave, getting a test procedure sorted will be one of the first things I get around to...

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by byebyepetrol » Apr 19, 2017 11:38 am

Hi Lurkin,
+1 on running fewer ratios on an eBike.
I reckon a 5 speed; 11t to 20t would do it.

Thanks 2Old.
What do you mean your battery resides outside now? Did it get damaged due to excessive heat while charging?

DD vs mid-drive.
IMHO there's not much in it if the terrain is relatively flat. Stick a few hills in
and the mid-drive with its greater gearing spread wins.

Chris.

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by 2old » Apr 19, 2017 1:36 pm

Chris, battery stayed warm for an extended time after charging (no damage), so I don't want to charge or store it in the house now. However, it's had (having) an exemplary life powering both a BBS02 and 1000w YESCOM motor.

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by Tats » Apr 20, 2017 4:41 am

My original Dillinger battery is still working away on a mates ebike. Gets him 36kms of low assist a day - and that's with a full 42v charge each and every time. Have you salvaged the cells from your old bike? The vruzend solderless assembly option looks interesting if you do..

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by 2old » Apr 20, 2017 11:33 am

I'm still using the battery (52V) with both my systems, just leaving it outside (going to try and locate an ammo box to store it).
I've found BBS02 with 8-speed Altus derailleur, 8-speed KMC chain (Amazon $20 & $8, respectively) and 8-speed spacing on the hub 11-17-28 has worked well for 18 months of pretty hard off road and some road riding. About six months ago I lowered the gearing with a 30 tooth Luna front chainring. The hypothesis was that chain wear is accelerated with extreme angles; accordingly the 17 is straight chainline and either gear is one click away; motor makes up for "three-speeds".

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by fourbanger » May 31, 2017 8:11 pm

So how's that Sky Tech. battery working out?

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by byebyepetrol » May 31, 2017 8:37 pm

Hi Fourbanger,
The battery and charger combo is AOK.
I've done about 500km on it and it's just as good as the
previous one. Panasonic 18650 3400mAH.

The profile of the new housing is sleeker and the mounting
is more secure.

Would I buy again from Skytech? Yes, I would, just not during
Chinese New Year ;0)

I've since received a new BMS from BMS Battery to replace the busted one.
It took 10 days this time!

Chris.

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by fourbanger » Jun 01, 2017 10:36 pm

Thanks for the prompt reply. I keep eyeing that seller on ali but have been too chicken to go through with it. Some vendors set off my BS detector more than others and these guys always seem right on the fence to me. 15A discharge on that battery seems a little anemic to me but hey, if that's all you need then that's that.

Best,

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by v1ncen7 » Jun 30, 2017 5:08 pm

Very cool thread, too bad I did not see it before ordering a BBS02. I did hesitate a long time, and eventually got it after being told the BBS01 would be too weak for my need. Now I am considering replacing it with BBS01 to save another 400g.. But I am unsure it would be happy with my existing 48volt battery. If anyone can comment on that..

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by byebyepetrol » Jul 01, 2017 1:08 am

Welcome to Endless Sphere Forums.
It's a bit of a slow forum but there's a wealth of
info already available.

Your bike looks great; what sort of riding do you do?
The front shocks I expect would make a huge difference
in comfort for en eBike,

As for swapping back to BBS01 while retaining 48v; I'm not sure.
If you look at the controller specs for the BBS01 it's 15amps max.
36v x 15amps 540w max

So I expect anything beyond 540w might thermal stress the FETS and damage them
permanently.

Keep it below 540w = 48v x amps
= 11.25amps

Ride it in the arctic circle and it'll likely be ok but in warmer climes it'll bust for sure.



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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by 2old » Jul 01, 2017 12:09 pm

Nice conversion. That bike must weigh close to 50 pounds; don't think the 400 grams is worth the additional expense and chance for motor "burn-out". My BBS02 has been zipping along perfectly for about two years now.

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Re: Bafang BBS01 350w vs Dillenger 250w front hub

Post by Speady » Jul 01, 2017 3:59 pm

The 36V BBS01 doesn't wo:k on a 48V battery. The OVP is set at 45V .
But there is a 48V version out there. e.g. at Bmsbattery.

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