I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

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I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by gncbikesADK » Feb 14 2019 4:58pm

Great group of guys to work with... until there is a problem. I ordered a set of cranks for a customer's e-bike from Luna and received them packaged in a soft bag. They were all scratched up as they had been rubbing against each other the entire way here to NY from Cali. I reached out to their customer service manager, who was little help and disinterested in fixing the issue. Tony told me that all of the Lekkie cranks are damaged, because they come from New Zealand. The first pair I bought from Luna several months ago arrived flawlessly, so this made little sense to me. I reached out to Lekkie and they gave me some other vendors to use, and warned me of Luna Cycle's abhorrent returns policy. And when I asked Luna Cycle to have the replacement set shipped in an actual box, I was told that they could not guarantee it. How can you not guarantee a box? So at that point I knew I had to cut ties with these guys.
But wait it gets better! Both Tony and Gary in customer service proceeded to tell me that I would have to wait for 3 weeks before I could get my refund. Why? The only reason I can think of is to deter people returning damaged merchandise. The cranks were conveniently on sale, too, which leads me to believe they knowingly sent me returned and/or damaged merchandise. I had to open an actual fraud case with PayPal to get my refund! And as soon as I did that, surprise surprise - My refund was processed. Shady business practices to say the least.
And the best part? Not even an apology through this entire mess. And that was all I really wanted! I was looking to establish a good business relationship, as I build custom e-bikes for our shop customers, but not with a vendor that could care less when I have a problem.
I recommend buying your Bafang parts and accessories elsewhere. I shudder to think what type of nonsense they would pull if I had to return a mid-drive.,.. Thankfully you can get ALL of the equipment elsewhere, and for the most part quite a bit cheaper than Luna Cycle. I recommend em3ev.com. They fast-tracked a set of Lekkie cranks to me in under a week and guess what? They arrived undamaged... and in an actual freaking box! Grin in Canada (ebikes.ca) also has great service and they stand behind the products they sel. And if you can't find the part you need, message me and I will help you find a reliable vendor - Don't give these guys your money!

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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by flat tire » Feb 14 2019 5:07pm

When Luna fucks up, it's not pretty. They are extremely unprofessional.

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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by petedegan » Sep 11 2019 12:28am

I too have had problems with luna. I paid 250 extra for a higher amp bbshd and they sent the stock controller. Never got a refund. Nothing. Just a case number. These guys are bad. Really bad. Maybe criminal.

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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by Wolfeman » Oct 18 2019 5:48pm

I haven't had anything but positive experiences with Luna, multiple orders over several years. Your post reads like a hit piece, especially given that it's the first post for that user name.
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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by brone » Oct 26 2019 6:50am

They didn't get that Audi R8 in the video on their channel by being a moral company I guess

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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by eMark » Nov 06 2019 9:06am

Wolfeman wrote:
Oct 18 2019 5:48pm
I haven't had anything but positive experiences with Luna, multiple orders over several years. Your post reads like a hit piece, especially given that it's the first post for that user name.
Any opinion on their advanced 36V, 48V and 60V chargers with readout (i.e. 80%, 90% or FULL charge with amperage selection).

Imagine they're made in Malaysia or China, but then what isn't. They would seem to be one of the best chargers, (if not the best) for the money ($99). Appreciate any real-life feedback experience with any one of these three chargers.

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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by AngryBob » Nov 06 2019 2:29pm

This is not really the correct place for the discussion, but then ....

If you want honest reviews of Luna products, you have to separate out those posters who are financially compensated for saying positive things about the company and its products. There are at least three long-time posters who have been so compensated, and almost certainly others. Unfortunately they do not announce themselves as paid spokesmen for the company.

EM3EV offers similar chargers and is a reputable vendor who stands behind his product.

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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by eMark » Nov 07 2019 8:47am

AngryBob wrote:
Nov 06 2019 2:29pm
This is not really the correct place for the discussion ... EM3EV offers similar chargers and is a reputable vendor who stands behind his product.
From the title of this thread and your response one could easily get the impression that Luna Cycle products are suspect and that the only positive reply on this thread may be by someone who is possibly compensated by Luna Cycle.

Having checked your EM3EV suggestion it seems that EM3EV no longer carries/sells ebike chargers ... https://em3ev.com/shop/?product_cat=ebike-chargers

Ok, so Luna advanced Chargers are also suspect (buyer beware). Hopefully, this is more in line with the purpose of this thread. Perhaps, you can suggest another ebike supplier that offers an "advanced" charger (80%, 90%, FULL with adjustable amperage) for around $100.

Bottomline: Luna advanced chargers for $99 are too good to be true.

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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by AngryBob » Nov 07 2019 11:32am

I did not state ALL positive responses about Luna are from paid endorsers, just a significant percentage. Then there are the posts from the Luna owner himself under a false identity.

Always remember, somebody, somewhere, is quite happy with their Yugo. It is a matter of what failure rate is acceptable.

Warranty return of merchandise is something I deal with on a professional level, frequently, for decades. If you would examine the history of these two vendors in this area, including a large number of posts related to Luna in this regard which have been unfortunately deleted en masse, you would get a picture of how very dramatically differently the two vendors mentioned in this post have conducted their business over an extended period of time.

I highly doubt EM3EV has stopped selling chargers, they were one of the first to handle the selectable type, also the Satiator, and they were available fairly recently. I would strongly suspect this is some sort of website error, as the product is fairly essential for his product line. Note - just checked, and they are listed as an option with a motor kit, including the selectable charger. I would guess the web page search result was just an error.

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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by petedegan » Jan 13 2020 10:16pm

luna cycle battery also failed after 30 cycles- upon inspection they tried to spot weld through three tabs. this connection fell apart and the battery is useless. My 3 stage charger also failed. luna responded back about my ludicrous upgrade that the output on the display is only 1/2 what the actual voltage is. they argue that when the display is saying 1500 watts - its really putting out 3000. i have built 20 electric bikes - and i know what a 30 amp controller feels like and what a 50 amp controller feels like - but i give up. even if i prove myself correct - they wont do anything for me- 3 of the 4 purchases were a failure- battery - controller , charger, - its time to let it go and move on. I might post pictures of the poor battery build

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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by SteelWolf » Jan 18 2020 9:03pm

I just bought a 14s7p battery from EM3ev and got a 5a 90% charger for 70 bucks, could have gotten one of those fancy smart chargers for 300 but that seemed a bit much. If you have issues finding something email them, shipping is fast and they are very helpful and they are starting o have waterproof battery packs for the 7p and 5p cube batteries. I am not associated with them in any way just a happy customer. This is my first ebike battery but I have been reading and comparing for over a year and a half and I chose to trust EM3ev in Hong Kong rather than Luna which is 30 miles from where I live, I could go and knock on their door if I had a problem but after seeing how badly he wanted to bad talk the Cyc x1 pro in that video I realized this wasn't a company I wanted to do business with (plus they are overpriced, lol)

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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by st35326 » Jan 19 2020 3:03am

eMark wrote:
Nov 07 2019 8:47am
AngryBob wrote:
Nov 06 2019 2:29pm
This is not really the correct place for the discussion ... EM3EV offers similar chargers and is a reputable vendor who stands behind his product.
From the title of this thread and your response one could easily get the impression that Luna Cycle products are suspect and that the only positive reply on this thread may be by someone who is possibly compensated by Luna Cycle.

Having checked your EM3EV suggestion it seems that EM3EV no longer carries/sells ebike chargers ... https://em3ev.com/shop/?product_cat=ebike-chargers

Ok, so Luna advanced Chargers are also suspect (buyer beware). Hopefully, this is more in line with the purpose of this thread. Perhaps, you can suggest another ebike supplier that offers an "advanced" charger (80%, 90%, FULL with adjustable amperage) for around $100.

Bottomline: Luna advanced chargers for $99 are too good to be true.
Cycle Analyst chargers are readily available on Amazon and is hands down the best charger I have ever used. I use it for charging all of my bikes (6s-24s) plus my spot welder battery and have even charged my next door neighbors 12v truck lead acid battery.

If your nominal battery voltage is between 12v-100v, you can pretty much charge to any percentage you want because you program in the cuttoff voltage yourself. I skimp on a lot of stuff, but the quality things to do with controlling Li-Ion batteries is not one of them.

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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by amberwolf » Jan 20 2020 1:40am

st35326 wrote:
Jan 19 2020 3:03am


Cycle Analyst chargers are readily available on Amazon and is hands down the best charger I have ever used.
i'm not aware of a cycle analyst charger.

but there is a cycle satiator charger by grin tech, http://ebikes.ca , that does the things you describe. ;)

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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh » Jan 21 2020 6:50pm

AngryBob wrote:
Nov 06 2019 2:29pm
If you want honest reviews of Luna products, you have to separate out those posters who are financially compensated for saying positive things about the company and its products. There are at least three long-time posters who have been so compensated, and almost certainly others.
and at least one sphere moderator.
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Unfortunately they do not announce themselves as paid spokesmen for the company.
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Re: I will never buy from Luna Cycle again, if I don't have to

Post by spinningmagnets » Jan 21 2020 8:30pm

My record clearly shows I am a shill. Feel free to search my post-history. There's no use denying it...

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