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Pay road tax for bicycles?

Post by The fingers » Oct 02, 2015 10:36 am

Click on right side to vote and tell 'em "no way, we won't pay!" :P
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Re: Pay road tax for bicycles?

Post by Herrsprocket » Oct 04, 2015 3:32 pm

The fact is, we ALREADY pay for our privilege to be a legal presence on the road. We subsidize motor vehicles with our disproportionate amount of taxes paid to the amount of road damage that is incurred by our bicycles.

Bicycles, on average (according to several sources, including DOT numbers), ablate the road surfaces at about a 9500:1 to 10,000:1, comparing a standard sedan to a single bicycle. And that is just for the surface ablation. Roads also are damaged and need repair due to structural flexation caused by a mass which vertically stresses the road. No talk is ever mentioned as to how much "a bicycle" or "tens of thousands" have on this structural degradation, because it is essentially nil. You can't pack 10,000 bicycles into the square footage imprint of a single sedan, let alone a truck, or RV, or semi to create the same force that causes structural breakdown. The weight distribution is spread out over a huge area for the same mass of a car (still sticking to the car as an example). With the structural degradation component pretty much taken out of the "tax responsible" mix, that leaves only the ablation issue, and that is clearly demonstrated to be "cost effective" in favor of the bicycle.

In my county, 75% of the county road budget (new projects, maintenance, personnel, etc.), is met with property taxes. Whether you rent, lease, own property, or are paying for staying at a motel or campground facility, you are paying 75% of the road budget. You could just sit at home all day and night, eating Cheetos and watching classic movies, and never drive personally on the road, and pay this amount. Some of the following other contributors to the road budget are: interest payments on county bonds and other programs, licensing and registration fees for vehicles and least of all, the $ collected from the gas taxes. In the county budget, between 1 to 2 % of the county road maintenance program come from gas taxes collected.

In my experience, most cyclists own and use a motor vehicle as well as supplement their transportational needs with cycling. Therefore, they are meeting another financial contribution to the road budget equation, beyond the property taxes they are paying. The other interest payments garnered into the budget plan is also a part of everyone's contribution. That leaves us with only the gas taxes not directly derived from bicycle use. But wait! Since most cyclists drive also, they are already paying into that portion of the budget, and considering the "proportionate bicycle to single sedan degradation" factors, that would give us staggering numbers showing how the cyclist is essentially subsidizing motor vehicle users, and not the other way around. How many millions of miles would you need to travel on your bike to require the same road maintenance as you would for a simple drive across town in your car?

If your paying for all those taxes above, like a huge percentage of us already do, the cyclist is paying way more than their fair of the tax burden to accommodate All forms of legal road users to have the privilege of using "our" roads. Next time you get some low life yelling at you from their motor vehicle to get off the road because you don't pay for the privilege of using it ( and therefore have the right to run you over), yell back at them that you proportionately pay more than they do for using a bike, and if their argument is whoever pays the most should tell the others users to get the f*#k off the road, then they need to get the f*#k off of our road, by their very own argument.

But we are better than they are, so we understand we need to share the cost (as we already do) and we need to share the road.

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Re: Pay road tax for bicycles?

Post by The fingers » Oct 05, 2015 10:29 am

http://www.startsatsixty.com.au/current ... -insuranceMaybe we should force everyone to carry personal liability insurance. :xlicense not licence. :roll:
It’s long been the ire of drivers – and now cyclists could soon have to abide by similar laws to car drivers if a NSW government measure is implemented.
Right now if you have a collision with a bike and it was their fault, they don’t legally need to have insurance to cover them, nor do they need a licence.
SMH reports NSW Roads and Maritime Services officials have been holding regular meetings with road and cycling groups, where they have outlined the possibility of licences for cyclists or requiring cyclists to hold identification.
Some participants in those meetings say an insurance scheme for cyclists would be too difficult to implement, but regardless, the government wants there to be more safety around cyclists both for their benefit and other road users’.
The government’s insurance idea stems from incidents where pedestrians have been struck by cyclists and there is no insurance for both parties. Sydney nurse Emily Greenwood was struck by a cyclist and was left with a $15,000 dental bill.
Greens transport spokeswoman Mehreen Faruqi asked the Roads Minister, Duncan Gay, if the government had ruled out requiring cyclists to hold identification.
Mr Gay replied: “The cycling safety roundtable considered issues including a minimum passing distance, identification of cyclists, road rules applying to cyclists, road user awareness of cyclists and insurance”.
According to the Bicycle Network, there were 127 pedestrian casualties that occurred as a result of crashes with a bike between 2009 and 2013.
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Re: Pay road tax for bicycles?

Post by Drunkskunk » Nov 18, 2015 4:11 pm

I'm not signing. I think bicycles should be considered for tax reasons. Anything that gets fair use of the road should be taxable. :mrgreen:

HOWEVER! I also think anyone who offsets a motor vehicle with a bicycle should get a tax credit.
Anyone who uses a bicycle as primary transportation should get a tax credit. anyone who buys a new environmentally friendly human powered bi wheeled transportation device should get a government rebate. Any maintenance you do for transportation reasons to your primary environmentally friendly bicycle should be tax deductible, etc, etc, etc.

It's all politics. You have to get it into the politicians' heads that a bicycle is a real, taxable vehicle before you can convince them to give tax credits on it.
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