The 101 Club

[nuvola]

Kingfish I was reading your data to match our ride and I found a big difference between them:
you made an average speed of 22 mph (about 34km/h), mine average is about 13mph 20km/h (I've done some miles on hill at 5-7 mph)
I've 60ah pack, you have 50ah pack.
Ok, I think to still have about 15 ah to use, but with your average speed I could use more than 15ah left power.

Again I see you work on 36V against mine 48V, which is your top speed on flat?
mine is near 25mph.

finally how much-strong do you pedal to get that speed and mileage?

[Kingfish]

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Again I see you work on 36V against mine 48V, which is your top speed on flat?
mine is near 25mph.

finally how much-strong do you pedal to get that speed and mileage?

Top speed on a flat without wind, fresh and hot is about 29 to 30 mph depending on how rested I am. When I'm beat after a long ride and the battery is drained, it drops to about 24 mph.

I pedal strongly and with gusto, like a mofo! Daylight is burning!! Get the frack outta my way dammit!!!

Rare is the moment when I am not pedally except when I am goig too fast to keep up, or I just need a 10-second break for blood to return to the legs.

When I commute, I am on the throttle pretty much the whole way through everything except downhills, and I am pedalling hard the whole time. I'm not quite fast enough to race cars between lights, but getting there

...next bike!

[liveforphysics]

You should come down to visit sometime. I can rapid charge you back up to full when you get here.

[Kingfish]

The most ive done is 65 miles. Its not that i couldnt go further its just that my ass bothers me...

I completely understand. I took the seat off P1 and put it on P0; made a big difference
Not 100% satisfied, but much better regardless.

You should come down to visit sometime. I can rapid charge you back up to full when you get here.

Whoa, that’s just a tiny trip ~ I’d barely cracked a sweat
Sounds like a plan: How about I catch you when I loop Bainbridge Island on our next sun-break?

I am trying to plan all my long trips to be over 100 miles now as I train for the mega-voyage, each one going a little farther out… If I can get comfortable with 125 miles in a single day and have a quick recovery then I should not have any issues when I upgrade to P1.

BTW - I upgraded my fork on P1 to Marzocchi 888 RC3 EVO which arrived a couple of days ago. After doing the Sno-Pass run, I was heading down back into the Sound, I thought the front tire was getting loose (it turned out it was the rear going flat) I looked down and saw how much my front fork was flexing. I was only going about 28-30mph but it got me thinking real hard about the Marzocchi Bomber 44 with only one bracket for support. So I decided to go with the 888 DH fork. What a monstor!


L-R: Marzocchi 888 RC3 EVO DH Fork, P1 w/ Marzocchi Bomber 44, P0 w/ 1991 1st-Gen RockShox


Look at it! The 888 is nearly twice as high! If I go any taller I'll need wings and a tail

There is a lot of room for compression though. It's going to be real interesting carrying a 100 lb. battery-load. I discussed the weight with the frame manufacturer and he told me I should be able to go as high as 325 lb.s ~ not that I will get that close; I'm pretty fly.

But definitely this is the shock for the road trip

[Kingfish]

Well, I’ve done it again: Another spectacular century-ride. This time I went 103.8 miles in one day on a single charge. The challenge: The Cascade Bike Club – 2010 Flying Wheels Summer Century.

The only thing I changed this time was that I slightly raised the output of my charger from 41.1V to 41.6V to map with the new 4.0 BMS HVC from TPPacks and friends. (The charger is not precisely dialed in; one pack was slightly over-target and the other under, so in the starting voltage below averaged to 41.7)

My CA Stats:

Date		Length	Ah	Start V	End V	W-hr	Wh-mi	Regen %
06/12/10	103.8	45.21	41.7	36.5	1759.5	16.7	2.6%

R-Ah	Fwd-Ah	Amin	Amax	Vmin	MaxS	AveS	Time
1.2082	46.421	-22.5	34.59	15.0*	38.3	21.9	4:40:12

EDIT: Total Elevation Climb = 3263 feet.

*Note: I have problems with my AAP connections coming apart momentarily; more on this in new thread.
EDIT: Cable Shielding & connectors

One small detail: This technically was not a true century; both my CA and MapPoint say the trek was just a whisker less than 100 miles. However I live about two miles from the park, and if you factor that in… well, it’s a century-plus.

I left Marymoor Park after picking up my bib about 8:20AM. See the map below for the key to further descriptions.



At #2, we hit our first hill, and it was mega-steep. The light was red just before I got there. Some gal at the stop says out loud pointing, “Look at you with those FAT tires!” (They are Continental Contact Reflex 47-559; about 1.85” wide) I just looked at her… and right then the light turned green so I hit WOT and roasted past everyone all the way to the top. First big hill, done.

At #3, we dropped down and merged onto Fall City-Redmond Road/SR-203 for a short distance before taking a left onto Ames Lake Road. This is one big long monstor climb. Cars were practically stalled behind clumps of bikers with their heads up their arse taking over the entire width of the lane and choking off flow. I said to myself “FTS” (I’ll leave it to you to figure out that acronym) and I passed left, weaved right till I could wiggle up past the car(s), cut back in front of them and motored right on up to the top.

I don’t know what I dislike more: Poser-Lycras, or dipshits that cain’t git out of the way. Unfortunately I kept meeting these people over and over again in the middle of the lane. But – this is where I perfected my technique of passing cars and bikes that were going too slow, and I used it again and again later in the day.

At #4, we had our first full-on rest stop with free food, fruit, electrolyte drink, and Honey-Buckets. This is about 14 miles from the Start. Weather was cool; I had thought of bringing a windscreen, but I didn’t need it; pedal two miles and yer warm; perfect really. Sun wasn’t out; kinda worried about that. Been chucking down cats and dogs for two weeks, and I was beginning to wonder what it was that makes the sky brighter during the day. Fueled up, we headed onward…


Rest Stop at Milepost 14 (outbound) and 69 (inbound).

At #5. The planned route is goofy here: Honestly I don’t know who lays these things out, but let me try to explain. There are three possible trips a person could take: 25 miles, 65 miles, or the Century. If doing the Century or 65, we need to turn left, though those doing 25 would turn right. It gets more complicated later…

At #6, Kelly Road is a long easy climb up, up, up. Seems like we’re always going up. Clouds were thinning, and the little hamlets we past looked so inviting. Dropped quickly into Duvall, hung a reggie onto W-D Road, crossed over the Snoqualmie River, heading towards…

[Kingfish]

Junction/Quick Stop

#7. Hung another reggie , heading north onto West Snoqualmie Valley Road (name changed to High Bridge Road after crossing the county line). I stopped oh so briefly to fetch a drink and jumped back on, but before I could get up to full steam, someTEAM-lycras passed me and a woman exclaims “oh he’s sitting high on THAT bike”. Yeah, well... I laided and waited for the next hill just so I could smoke past her

Years ago I used to live off this road. The dairies along this route are extremely RIPE with manure and other fermentables, providing a full-farm sensory extravaganza replete with purdy Moo-Eyed ladies batting lashes at passer-bys. I said mooo back at them

At #15 (briefly jumping out of order), we head forward; no turns. Here the confluence of the Skykomish and Snoqualmie run together to become… the Snohomish River. It’s really pretty farmland, with apple orchards, corn rows, and fast-growing alders and cottonwoods for paper pulp.

At #8, we turn right, but the best view of the entire trip is at…

#9. Panoramic of High Cascades, Mount Baker volcano, the mountains above Stevens Pass, White Horse Mountain, and then the Snohomish Valley below. I’m kicking myself for not stopping to take a photie.

At #10 we pulled in to Snohomish for a rest stop. A road “Referee” pulls in and encourages us to push on for another 8 miles to Monroe which has full-on services. I am starving so I wolf down a protein bar, and got to going.

#11 is where I hit 50 miles on the CA. Stopped and took note of the specs. Interesting: This is almost the same stats that I had when I reached the top of the Snoqualmie Pass last month. Doing the math, I realized I could afford to be less judicious with my wattage, and decided to open up the throttle more and more.


The View... (EDIT: This is a wide image & for some reason I do not see scrollbars;
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The Stats...


Fueling Station Monroe

At #13, I fueled up again to be safe; it was a wise move. Heading south, we took a cutoff road back to High Bridge Road, at #15 and turned left, doubling back. Just below #7, some dickhead in a mini-car yields not for any cyclists as we are all nearly shoved off the road. What a POS!

#16. Look familiar? Same rest stop as #4. Fueled up, and headed out. BTW – a bit of trivia here: As we head towards the town of Carnation, we pass by the old Nestlé Carnation Dairy Farm that was used for research to produce better products. So if you ever wondered where the milk came from… (actually Carnation Evaporated Milk was first produced in Kent, WA).

At #17 (also #5), we hang a reggie into Carnation, and after crossing the Tolt River Bridge, we hang a right then a left onto an idyllic path between mountains, rivers, and roads, passing by two serene golf courses near #18; beautiful countryside

Crossing the Redmond-Fall City Road/SR-202 we begin the last great hill climb and it is a winding crushing pursuit through deeply forested canopy almost all the way to #20. I dropped gear to help the motor climb as I could feel the controller becoming quite warm.

At #20, this was my last pit stop; 86 miles, 14 to go… I just wanted to git’er done. Leaving though was a death march as it was steep, narrow, with heavy traffic, and tired bikers clogging up the works all the way to just before the dog-leg decent at #22. Once at the bottom, near the lake, we had 8 miles to go. I poured coal onto the fire and it was WOT the rest of the way back. The Race Is ON: Passed everyone; no survivors.

Finish Line: CA says 100.4 miles. Lots of free drinks, but food we had to pay for. There was a beer garden; being only 2PM, I didn’t bother; played good old rock-n-roll though. Wandered, ate, drank, ate, drank, stretched, drank, ate some more, slept in the sun, drank some more; headed for the barn.


WYSIWYG (EDIT: This is a wide image & for some reason I do not see scrollbars;
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Da Stats...


P0: Champion... and chimp

[GrayKard]

Very enjoyable read, thanks for posting it. Looks like it was a lot of fun too.

My butt is done after about 20 miles so I can hardly imagine doing 100 in a day.

Gary

[Lock]

Best day on a pedal-only bike, 160 miles... through 3" of rain headed up the lower St. John River valley (New Brunswick.)
Butt this was on a specially trained ass
I have a 480Wh pack now, but no plans for any long-distance again. Just gettin' around town...
Lock

[Kingfish]

ADDENDUM:
Speaking of the posterior, I forgot to add that after my rear-altering alignment from the first 101 ride I stole the seat from P1 and put it on P0; I needed to test the seat anyway to see if it was a good match. Though a bit firmer and more narrow, affording a fit that allows the pelvis to rest on the “sit” bones, I still had issues.


Original 19-yo Specialized seat above, replacement below.

In addition, between Mile 30 and 35 I had cramping in my left calf. Explaining the cramp problem to a fellow rider at the rest stop in Snohomish, he said that it was caused by lack of circulation from the SEAT. I had thought cramping was due to depletion of phosphorous. My resolve was to eat more bananas, and from about that time forward I was frequently lifting off my seat to reduce the fatigue.

I guess I’m on the hunt again for another. At least this one is good enough to replace the original equipment for commuting.
~KF

[Lock]

I read once (can't find it now off hand) that something like 94% of all pedal bikes are not properly adjusted for the riders body shape... with attendent problems as a result. Since I discovered foot bikes (aka kick scooters) seat/adjustment concerns have gone away
Lock

[wasp]

today i rode 75km using only 15ah but tomorrow i will try 100km
it is hard when my controller is set to 75amps...power is addictive
i will try 100km using 16ah of lipo well 20 but trying to stick with 80% dod
and yes i am now peddaling to get these ranges
i have moved to northbay ont and love the trail systems here
getting alot of attention and am thinking of starting a ebike shop...i get more requests from the elderly than the youth
i will be making some videos of the trails here and a couple of me hunting for unsuspecting drivers at stoplights

[beast775]

what a great read.i really enjoy trip logs,i think with a reliable system 100 miles is alot.sounds like you are having fun.saddles-seat,i use brooks saddles exclusively,but they do cost alot.thanks for posting.

[wasp]

well didn't get the 100km today but got 45 using only 8.2ah
i have lost 12 pounds in 2 weeks now that i am pedaling lol

[drewdiller]

i have lost 12 pounds in 2 weeks now that i am pedaling lol

Are you serious?! That sounds unhealthy. If you're not getting sick, then nice going, but damn...

[wasp]

i have lost 12 pounds in 2 weeks now that i am pedaling lol

Are you serious?! That sounds unhealthy. If you're not getting sick, then nice going, but damn...

i hadn't peddaled my ebike in 2 years exept when i broke or ran out of juice...i am feeling so much better now that i peddal and am getting exersise
i stopped drinking 6-8 tim horton's a day and am melting the weight away
i do drink alot of water now 8-10 litres a day to not pass out on these 50-100km a day
i always loved the power of my ebike but now i love the range i can get on only 10ah lipo's
thx for caring about my health

[drewdiller]

Ah, okay. Yeah, I've fluctuated up to seven pounds when going from very hydrated to very dehydrated.

[Kingfish]

Gents,

Yesterday - on July 12 – I rode 173.3 miles from Johnsville, CA (near Plumas-Eureka State Park, 1 hour north of Truckee) to Sacramento, CA via Hwy 49 mostly. I broke five spokes in the process, had the rim replaced in Auburn, and continued on with dim lighting in the dead of night for twenty miles – all to catch the midnight train (Amtrak) back to Seattle (which I did, and now I’m home).

I will write more about this epic ride shortly. Briefly though: On July 1st I rode 133 miles from Klamath Falls, Oregon to Burney, CA, then roughly 100 miles on the 2nd from Burney to Greenville, CA, then 52 miles on the 3rd from Greenville to Johnsville.

But the best ride of the set was the very last; spectacular high Sierra, through Grass Valley, then down into the Sacramento metro following the American River at night. Rabbits, Deer, and Homeless People – oh my!

More shortly; need shower and sleep

[amberwolf]

Five in one ride? On the same wheel, I guess? Do you have suspension on that wheel? I'm always curious about spoke breakages on others' bikes, so I can try to prevent them on my own (I have enough as it is from the potholes vs unsuspended bike weight).

[Kingfish]

AW, yes – it was over several days but on one trek. Long saga but I took copious notes and a few pictures which will take me some time to compile and generate

Same front motor – 9C 2806; the broken spokes were on the stock rear wheel which was carrying the majority of the load. I calculated the bike, batts, and I weighed 300 lbs altogether.

Front suspension only; 1st-gen RockShox.

I don’t know precisely when the spokes broke; I was having issues with that wheel from the moment I got off the train in Klamath Falls until the hub/rim was replaced in Auburn, however I detected the breakage shortly after leaving the rocky road from the family campsite. I went about another 60-80 miles in that condition, then hit a bump in Grass Valley and broke two more. A guy following me thought the wheel was going to fall off (ha!) I have no fear and pushed on for another 20-30 miles to Auburn where I had the wheel replaced altogether. Stole about 0.3 Volts at the bike shop charging while they worked on it

However the bottom line was that in one day I rode 173.3 miles with 15S12P LiPo (~47 lbs) on my P0 commuter bike, on a single charge (sans < 1 volt charged on the fly), climbing 8031 feet and descending 12943 feet over a period of roughly 15 hours (counting rest stops which were frequent).

I need to scoot; lots to do today to catch up, but I will report more this late evening.
~KF