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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners?

Post by Trelos » Nov 06 2019 8:07am

CJonaBttlrckt wrote:
Oct 27 2019 6:28pm
Rix wrote:
Oct 26 2019 9:35pm
CJonaBttlrckt wrote:
Oct 25 2019 8:57am
Hi folks
Question...are there any other owners of the current model bomber (96v & UFO motor) experiencing repeated controller and less frequent DC1 failures?
Cheers
Tell us what you got going on?
Hi Rix and all,
On my recommendation, early last year my friend picked up a new bomber, coincidentally one of the first with the UFO motor.
It's a very fast bike..too fast I'd argue and I do wonder why stealth seem to go for speed over torque...anyway, that's an aside!

The bike is now on its fifth or sixth controller, including two sine wave controllers, and its second or third DC1.

Typically in two to four months it seems to cook the controllers and who knows what it's doing to the DC1.

After the first few normal replacement controllers stopped working, stealth sent two sine wave controllers.
The first sine wave just stopped working, saying 'cannot connect throttle' and the last sine is now overheating too quickly.
The replacement normal controller for this overheating sine wave controller overheats in minutes and is un-rideable, so he is planning to go back to the overheating sine wave so he can at least ride it for now!

I have been reluctant to post about this previously thinking stealth would fix and also I thought if there was someone else having the same problem, they would post about it.

My friend is otherwise very happy with the bike...though he is at times ready to ride it off a cliff!

Incidentally, at the same time another friend also picked up a fighter and it has been generally trouble free!

Cheers
Hi
Your overheating problem may well be the size and weight of your rear tyre, and is that also a heavy duty rim and spokes ?
24 fet might be the answer. :bolt:
Stealth bombers , fighter , turbo levo , its a lifestyle !

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners?

Post by Theodore Voltaire » Nov 06 2019 12:34pm

Trelos wrote:
Nov 06 2019 8:07am

Hi
Your overheating problem may well be the size and weight of your rear tyre, and is that also a heavy duty rim and spokes ?
24 fet might be the answer. :bolt:
Probably not. From my experience Stealth builds a lot of extra reserve potential in their bikes. A lot of Stealth owners have installed larger rims on their bikes without problems. I have 65mm double wall rims, plus I maxed out my ca at 65 amp, up from stock 60 amp, and my bike hasn't experienced any problems even riding in 100 plus ambient temperatures in Texas.

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Post by Rix » Nov 06 2019 3:47pm

Theodore Voltaire wrote:
Oct 28 2019 7:07pm
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Since graduating from professor Rix rebound class 101, I decided to go out into the world and make my mark.

Turning the knob all the way fast took 28 clicks from where I was. This resulted in a soft feeling ride, but the bike would pogo after a bump. It would compress, rebound fast, compress again, and rebound a final time. The rear wheel would move up, down, up, down.

I added 14 clicks in the slow direction. That made a noticable difference, now it would compress, rebound, and compress. The wheel moved up, down, and up. Only 3 moves instead of 4.

I added 3 more clicks slow. That made it compress, and rebound, and only a slight trace of down. call it 2 1/2 moves.

I added 3 more clicks slow. Then all it did was compress, and rebound. Rear wheel went up, and down. Almost prefect, but it felt firm.

I went back toward fast 1 click from there. Now it's perfect. The rear wheel compresses, and rebounds 1 time.

It's now 9 clicks fast from where I started. The difference is, the rear wheel moves about the same as before, but the ride feels softer now.

I would of had a hard time figuring this out on my own, because I didn't think rebound damping had this kind of effect. I thought the compression damping did this.
Glad you got your bike dialed, if you did a lot of offroad riding/racing, you would have figured it out, or you would have been the King of going over the bars and crashing.

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by Rix » Nov 06 2019 4:03pm

CJonaBttlrckt wrote:
Oct 28 2019 2:53pm
Hi again and thanks Rix,
Sorry, it would b 92v.
Going off memory!

Our assumption has been failing fets.

So higher voltage fet controller required.

Thanks again
Cheers
Clinton
Is your friend heavy? Barring any issues such as an intermittent short somewhere, it may be an inductance load issue causing the problems. I knew one guy here who was blowing controller on a Bomber, but he was very heavy, (300 pounds) and had the skills to ride the bike hard and fast. Consequently after replacing his controller and going with a custom 20s battery (84volts hot) he never had another problem. Said that to say this, if you are sure there is not something externally causing the controller to fail, and your friend is a big guy, going to a higher voltage rated controller with 4115 fets will most likely solve the issue.

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Nov 06 2019 4:29pm

My bike is 6 yrears old this month. 12,591 miles. Here's a list of all failures I've had.

1. RH swing arm bearing. $16

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Post by KarlJ » Nov 07 2019 5:38pm

SZXJR store Aliexpress 11A 92.4V charge arrived! https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3289879 ... 4c4dNNvQqa

Well given my stock charger vs new battery at 2700Wh was a slow exercise I bought one with more grunt from aliexpress.
Took 5 weeks to arrive and does not have trim pots to adjust the voltages, all controlled by a little board hence will be simply keeping a close eye on it and only charging to 90V to save the controller going bang.
It is about the same size as the stock unit but makes less than half the noise and barely gets warm vs the stock charger.

Carbon fibre sheets arrived for the side panel inserts - they are a little shorter than the stock pieces, easily cut with an angle grinder with a cutoff wheel.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3297950 ... 4c4dNNvQqa
See attached pics - i'm not one for counting the KGs but at 108g the pair vs the stock side covers which were >250g each (cant tell you how much they weigh as my little scales only read to 250g.

I was highly impressed, looks like prepreg to me, weave all nice and straight used 5 min epoxy to glue them on after a quick scuff and clean - the old covers practically fell off as carbon fibre sticky tape over aluminium.

Last but not least Upgraded the charger port to powercon type and converted the two chargers and the stock charge port, I was going to make a two into one adapter so i can charge it at ~17A but the small wires from the stock port will need an upgrade and I didnt have the correct wire size on-hand, a later job. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3X-1-set-Po ... 2749.l2649
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Post by Rix » Nov 07 2019 9:31pm

:lol: :lol: I didn't even have that, I had a seat triangle failure and it was promptly replaced under warranty. Thats it.
Theodore Voltaire wrote:
Nov 06 2019 4:29pm
My bike is 6 yrears old this month. 12,591 miles. Here's a list of all failures I've had.

1. RH swing arm bearing. $16
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Post by Cowardlyduck » Nov 08 2019 2:27am

Theodore Voltaire wrote:
Nov 06 2019 4:29pm
My bike is 6 yrears old this month. 12,591 miles. Here's a list of all failures I've had.

1. RH swing arm bearing. $16
If I did that it wouldn't look pretty. Good thing I can't be bothered.

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Re: E-S Stealth Electric Bike Owners

Post by st35326 » Nov 08 2019 2:35am

Theodore Voltaire wrote:
Nov 06 2019 4:29pm
My bike is 6 yrears old this month. 12,591 miles. Here's a list of all failures I've had.

1. RH swing arm bearing. $16
Thats incredible. Are these not the most high quality Ebikes you can get?

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Nov 08 2019 3:57am

st35326 wrote:
Nov 08 2019 2:35am
Theodore Voltaire wrote:
Nov 06 2019 4:29pm
My bike is 6 yrears old this month. 12,591 miles. Here's a list of all failures I've had.

1. RH swing arm bearing. $16
Thats incredible. Are these not the most high quality Ebikes you can get?
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Post by RhombusB52 » Nov 08 2019 3:54pm

Theodore Voltaire wrote:Here's an exclusive, just for us, first look from inside the secretive biknut skunk works of my new Fox Dropper external 4" seat post. Not fully installed yet, lacking the cable, and lever. This is all the way down. Not quite as low as I would like, but haven't tried it yet. I don't think you could use this post with a stock shock with remote reservoir, without the post sitting very high in the frame. The one in Rix link would definitely fit better, and best as I can tell, I'm not going to be able to use the full 4" lift with the seat sitting this high when it's all the way down.

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Nice job. Well done. Love those mudguards.!


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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Nov 08 2019 7:08pm

RhombusB52 wrote:
Nov 08 2019 3:54pm
Theodore Voltaire wrote:Here's an exclusive, just for us, first look from inside the secretive biknut skunk works of my new Fox Dropper external 4" seat post. Not fully installed yet, lacking the cable, and lever. This is all the way down. Not quite as low as I would like, but haven't tried it yet. I don't think you could use this post with a stock shock with remote reservoir, without the post sitting very high in the frame. The one in Rix link would definitely fit better, and best as I can tell, I'm not going to be able to use the full 4" lift with the seat sitting this high when it's all the way down.

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Nice job. Well done. Love those mudguards.!


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Thank you Rhombus, I've tried several versions over the years, and these are the best yet.

If anyone wants to make fenders for their bike I'm happy to share where I bought the hardware.

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Post by KarlJ » Nov 09 2019 12:51am

Today I made up a harness to connect the stock charger and the new 11A charger in parallel with the powercon connectors i bought for ~$7.5 AUD
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3X-1-set-Po ... 2749.l2649

Rather than mod the bike, I used a belt sander / linisher to reduce the OD of the powercon female end in the bike by around 1mm, it survived this will no ill effects and was a tight fit but the holes lined up to the ones drilled into the frame for fixing screws.

Nothing went bang when i connected everything together and I can now charge at 1500W with the two chargers combined, still less than the 0.5C the *std* charge rate for the MJ1 3500mAh cells 22S10P.

charged from around 30% SOC to 85% SOC the pack rose 1 Deg C from 42DegC to 43Deg C.

Pretty happy with those results and the el cheapo Powercon connectors are a HUGE improvement on the stock XLR which got very warm with even the stock charger 5-6A.

I really don't know how anyone tolerated the stock B52 LiFeP04 pack and its miserable 1200-1300Wh..... I'd be done in 20kms and very disappointed. Even the *NEW* 2000Wh pack from Stealth seems paltry next to DIY 18650 packs and despite mine only being 22S10P and 2772Wh max - call it 2500Wh at 90V / 90% and usable at 2kWh using 80% of the available should give a long lived unit.

Can't wait to build the next pack, just need to cover another 800x charge to 90% discharge to 20% cycles at 30kms a throw = 24,000kms

Now done almost 1500kms since ownership and will hit 4000kms total on the bike soon - enjoying every minute of it!

Lashed out and bought an MT5 front brake as still not happy with the feel on the OEM MT2 even after probike shop has had a couple of goes at it.
$150 from lordgun and a couple of sets of pads from ebay at ~$7/set, one ceramic and the other sintered to try, see if i can't get this thing stopping with some confidence.
I would have done the Shimano SAINT as recommended but as i'd need to do both ends for matching levers and it was a ~$5-600 exercise which is tough to justify for me ATM... (I'll regret that when it hit something )

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Post by Theodore Voltaire » Nov 09 2019 10:10am

KarlJ wrote:
Nov 09 2019 12:51am

I really don't know how anyone tolerated the stock B52 LiFeP04 pack and its miserable 1200-1300Wh..... I'd be done in 20kms and very disappointed. Even the *NEW* 2000Wh pack from Stealth seems paltry next to DIY 18650 packs and despite mine only being 22S10P and 2772Wh max - call it 2500Wh at 90V / 90% and usable at 2kWh using 80% of the available should give a long lived unit.

Can't wait to build the next pack, just need to cover another 800x charge to 90% discharge to 20% cycles at 30kms a throw = 24,000kms

Now done almost 1500kms since ownership and will hit 4000kms total on the bike soon - enjoying every minute of it!
I heard that. I could suck my battery dry in 17 miles (27 Kms). Even my 24ah is still not enough. I'm starting to warm up to the idea of building my own battery pack next time.

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Post by KarlJ » Nov 09 2019 6:43pm

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I heard that. I could suck my battery dry in 17 miles (27 Kms). Even my 24ah is still not enough. I'm starting to warm up to the idea of building my own battery pack next time.
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piece of cake! , cant wait to see your build

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Post by 1abv » Nov 13 2019 9:22pm

KarlJ wrote:
Nov 09 2019 12:51am
Today I made up a harness to connect the stock charger and the new 11A charger in parallel with the powercon connectors i bought for ~$7.5 AUD
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3X-1-set-Po ... 2749.l2649

Rather than mod the bike, I used a belt sander / linisher to reduce the OD of the powercon female end in the bike by around 1mm, it survived this will no ill effects and was a tight fit but the holes lined up to the ones drilled into the frame for fixing screws.

Nothing went bang when i connected everything together and I can now charge at 1500W with the two chargers combined, still less than the 0.5C the *std* charge rate for the MJ1 3500mAh cells 22S10P.

charged from around 30% SOC to 85% SOC the pack rose 1 Deg C from 42DegC to 43Deg C.

Pretty happy with those results and the el cheapo Powercon connectors are a HUGE improvement on the stock XLR which got very warm with even the stock charger 5-6A.

I really don't know how anyone tolerated the stock B52 LiFeP04 pack and its miserable 1200-1300Wh..... I'd be done in 20kms and very disappointed. Even the *NEW* 2000Wh pack from Stealth seems paltry next to DIY 18650 packs and despite mine only being 22S10P and 2772Wh max - call it 2500Wh at 90V / 90% and usable at 2kWh using 80% of the available should give a long lived unit.

Can't wait to build the next pack, just need to cover another 800x charge to 90% discharge to 20% cycles at 30kms a throw = 24,000kms

Now done almost 1500kms since ownership and will hit 4000kms total on the bike soon - enjoying every minute of it!

Lashed out and bought an MT5 front brake as still not happy with the feel on the OEM MT2 even after probike shop has had a couple of goes at it.
$150 from lordgun and a couple of sets of pads from ebay at ~$7/set, one ceramic and the other sintered to try, see if i can't get this thing stopping with some confidence.
I would have done the Shimano SAINT as recommended but as i'd need to do both ends for matching levers and it was a ~$5-600 exercise which is tough to justify for me ATM... (I'll regret that when it hit something )
Karl,
I have gone down the exact path that you are. I never got the Maguras to work with confidence.I tried bleeding, I tried both ceramic and sintered pads and all I did was wear them out and the rotors with quickness. The stopping power and the lever feel was never to my liking. The levers traveled too much before initial bite. If you look on the thread there was some posts about how people did some mods to make the adjustment on the Maguras work better. When I switched to the Saints with the ICE rotors, from the first time I pulled the levers they were simply in a different league then the mt5's I had on my bike. I do 90% off road and a lot of steep up and down hills. For me having a bike that weighs as much as a bomber and also the ability to stop when and how I want justified the cost.. Maybe you will dig the pads but the Maguras didn't work out for me. BTW the saint rotors and pads last much longer than the Maguras for me. When Installed the Saints I did have to get some spacers for the rear to get them to fit. You can pick them up at a bike shop. They should have varied thickness spacers. Good Luck!

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Post by KarlJ » Nov 17 2019 12:50am

did my longest ride to date at 70kms, used 27 out of 35AH so could have easily made 100kms, at this point the rear tyre had no more blocks left so i put on a crazy bob......
DOH! couldnt get it off, so cut it with a hacksaw.....if only I knew the construction, i would have run it to the canvas. The crazy bob is garbage next to the Denzel-Bike 24x3" heavy artillery in comparison to a sling shot IMHO and search as i may, the airfare to the states is cheaper than freight on that bad boy from the couple of US sellers of the tyre and China fellas dont seem to respond to emails.
http://www.eastgem.net/tire-24x3.html

In doing this lot i gave the chain a thorough birthday and I reckon its FUBAR , did I read 3/32 and 94 (half) links?

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Post by KarlJ » Nov 18 2019 7:33pm

I take it all back!
The Crazy Bob tyres use 25% less battery power for the same distance -work ride 30kms now 15AH vs 20AH before, the bike feels faster everywhere- acceleration and top speed, handles better.
Carrying a tin of spray tyre sealant in backpack for good measure and will get some tyre liners

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Post by st35326 » Nov 18 2019 9:44pm

I ran Crazy Bob's for years on 21s. But the every other month flat was just becoming too much hassle. Decided to get a real rim/ tire and a bigger (80 amp continuous) controller with Flux weakening to more than make up for the heavier wheel. Depending on how my Bomber runs compared to another heavily modded mid drive of an acquaintance, I may go 22s or 23s for some additional speed. Unrelated, I noticed that regen can be turned up considerably with all the additional inertia of this wheel tire combo.
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Post by KarlJ » Nov 19 2019 5:28pm

which controller do you run now?
I run 22S and charge to max 90V typically even less for commuting 88V ...
dont want to break the stock controller running 92.4V

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Post by FL bomber » Nov 20 2019 10:38am

What's the easiest way to replace the rivet nuts on battery compartment? Would a small dab of J-B weld work, to stop them from spinning. Also need a few button head bolts.. I know they are M6 but are they fine threaded and what length to order?
st35326... That Excel rim setup looks impressive.
That's a 17in rim.. what size spokes?

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Post by KarlJ » Nov 20 2019 11:14pm

Running some numbers on the MJ1 22S10P 35AH 22S battery.

Flogged it hard all the way to work yesterday 30kms
It started at 9 deg C overninght parked outside to cool off and finished at 35 degC after a discharge of 19.5AH of the available 32Ah (charged to ~90% @90V and finished at ~80V)
Pack has 220 cells at ~50g each hence lets call it 11kgs.
I'm calling the specific heat 1 based on this http://jes.ecsdl.org/content/146/3/947 (0.96 discharged and 1.04 charged)
I'm using then 4186J / kg/deg giving a wasted energy of 4186 x 11kgs x 26deg = 1652880J which when converted to Wh is 459W.

Obviously this is wasted energy otherwise realisable if the discharge rate was much slower than 7A/cell for 30mins.

given there is a theoretical 2772Wh less 10% for lower SOC = 2494Wh and the used energy was 1657 and 459W of heat.
leaves it with 400Wh remaining....

I guess the maths doesnt matter but i'm curious where i've gone wrong as 3.64V does not correlate to 10% SOC

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Post by Cowardlyduck » Nov 21 2019 4:48am

Not sure where you went wrong, but I know that cooler temps have a real negative impact and 25-35C is the sweet spot for extracting the most energy so your 'wasted' energy as heat probably actually helped the pack perform better than otherwise. :D

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Post by KarlJ » Nov 21 2019 6:08pm

Vbox service done thanks to those who have posted info on the thread.
not much in the way of gunk came out, used CRC 5.56 as "wash" as suggested RP7 or similar
30mls grease a hole, bike only having 3500kms on it when i bought it and 5000kms now 2013 model, my guess is it had never been done before

box is working much better now, thinking i should do another change in another 1000kms or so (3 weeks) as the new grease should break down whatever old hard stuff is in there.

Used this stuff as readily available here in Australia - not sure if its 100% but sure better than what it had
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PENRITE-MOT ... 2749.l2649
about 30mls per hole

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Post by KarlJ » Nov 21 2019 6:18pm

ryrideswhat wrote:
Oct 27 2014 12:36pm
You know, we talk a fair bit here about not drawing attention from the cops, but I'm curious, how many here have actually been stopped by the cops? What happened?

If you haven't, how often do general punters ask about what you're riding? Are they interested or suspicious?
I went in to my local police station to have an affidavit signed, (still fighting in the family court to see my kids after 18 months). Senior Sargent didn't even bat an eyelid even after I said I was riding the bike 30kms each way to work and back and in fact said if I ever needed someone to talk to I should swing by the station. Obviously familiar with the family court disaster that it is and the impact on those stuck in it. What a champion!

I think if/ when i get caught they really wont know what to do/say and i'll get a please dont do that again .... :D

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