Norco A-line 144v 200amp Lipo 150km/h build

[Andje]

commuted today on the aline. got a vid coming up, just basic street riding, but you can see the acceleration and the smoothness of the Kelly. This vid is at half voltage potential, hlaf battery current and half motor current. There is a LOT of room still in all these components

[Andje]

i took it out and road a bunch on grass and offroad in general, but the stupid gopro ran out of batteries for all the epic Hurdman stuff... O well, there will be infinetly more to come. For now, here is a quick accel over grass vid.

[binlagin]

I want to see this ride in person!

[Trackman417]

Love how easily the motor just took off!
How fast were you going on that run?

[Andje]

i would say 70 km/h+ for sure; no speedometer yet. It feels like it's topping out around 100 km/h, and that would make sense. Once I go to 150v or so I will see the extra rpm i need to get my 120 km/h at least.
The ease is noticeable over the infineon; smoother accel, it ramps instead of allowing spikes in the throttle input, still extremely responsive but not twitchy like the Infineon.

[Andje]

Here's the commute video. More today!

[Andje]

Did some amazing runs offroad today, got great vids of it all. They are going up. This is truly the potential of these bikes; it is amazing...

[sn0wchyld]

...... This is truly the potential of these bikes; it is amazing...

gee mate... anyone would think you're happy with the results or something!!

Vids are pretty damn impressive mate. That thing halls ass!

[hjns]

LOL, I love it how you approached the cop car from behind in his blind corner....

[Andje]

here's a real offroad vid. I figure near the end I'm doing about 100km/h on grass .

[rjc34]

Andje, holy shit, that thing is insane!

Once I get my commuter together, paid off, and some more money scraped up, I guess I'm going custom battery. That thing just looks so damn fun to ride I can't resist at all. It's Rob, BTW.

[Andje]

Current price list just for posterity;

1250- 2009 Norco Aline
600- 5403 Motor
1200- Kelly Controller 144v 300 amp
1000- 12 6s 5ah 20C Lipo+ backpack/wiring
200- Hyperion Charging system
200- Drop outs, wiring, throttle, brakes, etc.
Total; 4450

Not really that much money imho for a bike that accelerates like a super bike doing 0-100 km/h in under 4 seconds and is offroad/onroad capable of 100km/h+ for about 45 minutes to an hour for 70km+range. Keep in mind these vids have been done with only 100v, not the 180v max, and half current both battery and motor limited via the software. After I cool the motor and then turn it all up, the true potential will be like letting a missile out of a rocket

[MattyCiii]

Thanks for tallying up what you have into the bike. I just last week put all my receipts together from my own bike build, and the tally damn near made me soil myself. Not in a good way, either. Seeing your tally helps take some of the sting off. That, and seeing what a well built bike can do really helps!

[Andje]

Haha, we could join a support group MattyCii, but i have a feeling we'd be egging each other on... Keep the Aline coming, it is so worth it. My previous bike was great, but dual suspension is really amazing.
I spent 7 hours machining the dropouts today, finishing them mostly. Still need to add the derailer/tensioner; coming from a hardtail past, I had no idea that the chain length varied with the suspension compression; I tried to chuck a tight chain on there and couldn't figure out why i was loosing my bounce... Thought I was squeezing the frame with the motor bolts, and I spent a long time spacing the 150mm perfectly only to figure out it didnt help, and to eventually realise it was the chain.
Also got the rear calliper mounted. It's got about a one good millimetre of clearance with the motor cover hex heads... might have to grind them all down or replace with flatter.

[MattyCiii]

Support group, too funny! "Hello, my name is MattyCiii... and I have an e-bike problem!"

I really like the Surly Singelator as a chain tensioner, if you don't have a derailleur hanger laying around.

[Andje]

"hello, my name is Andje, I have en e-bike problem..."-Andje
"Hello Andje!"-Group
"I can't seem to stop buying things to make me go faster..."-Andje
"How fast can you go?"-Group
"Only just over 100km/h right now... I want to go faster."-Andje
"100km/h? HOW CAN I DO THAT? WHAT DO I NEED TO BUY"- Group

[MattyCiii]

Sponsor: "Here Andje, it's your 100 kph chip. You've earned it!"

[Andje]

rofl

[Andje]

Just a small update; I hate hydro brakes. I hate filling them, I hate bleeding them, I hate them. I hate the feel of them, I hate the look of them. They stand solidly hated.
But, the daisy chain is going to work, once I get all the air out of the system. I am using a Hope double banjo kit to link the bleed port of the front caliper to the in port of the rear one; this will enable me to operate both brakes with the one lever, and I will also be getting regen braking working with that same lever. So I will have one brake lever on the left and my "go" lever on the right. I love the simple look of it, and operating it is also sweet; you quickly get used to pulling just a little to trigger the regen, and then progressively more to trigger the two brakes.

[binlagin]

Are you running a dual disc front brake? Or you hooking up both front and rear to a single lever?

[Andje]

front and rear single lever

[MattyCiii]

Just a small update; I hate hydro brakes. I hate filling them, I hate bleeding them, I hate them. I hate the feel of them, I hate the look of them. They stand solidly hated.
But, the daisy chain is going to work, once I get all the air out of the system. I am using a Hope double banjo kit to link the bleed port of the front caliper to the in port of the rear one; this will enable me to operate both brakes with the one lever, and I will also be getting regen braking working with that same lever. So I will have one brake lever on the left and my "go" lever on the right. I love the simple look of it, and operating it is also sweet; you quickly get used to pulling just a little to trigger the regen, and then progressively more to trigger the two brakes.

Andje,
This sounds really cool. Can you please post pictures?

[Trackman417]

Just a small update; I hate hydro brakes. I hate filling them, I hate bleeding them, I hate them. I hate the feel of them, I hate the look of them. They stand solidly hated.
But, the daisy chain is going to work, once I get all the air out of the system. I am using a Hope double banjo kit to link the bleed port of the front caliper to the in port of the rear one; this will enable me to operate both brakes with the one lever, and I will also be getting regen braking working with that same lever. So I will have one brake lever on the left and my "go" lever on the right. I love the simple look of it, and operating it is also sweet; you quickly get used to pulling just a little to trigger the regen, and then progressively more to trigger the two brakes.

Andje,
This sounds really cool. Can you please post pictures?

..... Please

[binlagin]

front and rear single lever

How come you don't want to control the breaks independently?

Won't this cause early rear slides under heavy braking? Sounds kinda scary ><

[Andje]

I'll have it set to trigger regen first, then brake. Ideally you'd do it progressively, regen, then front then rear brake. So when I set up the hydros and finally pump them to set the pads, Ill set the front a little tighter then the rear, and it will first brake front then rear, with the option to lock both if I squeeze hard. The thing is, even in a high speed stop situation, you DEFINITELY want to use regen if you can. Ideally you would "slam" on the brakes, triggering max regen and max non-locking front brake. Then at about 20km/h you would prbly want to lock the back wheel as the regen stopping power peters out. Either way, I would just never, ever slam them on. I would always ramp it on, getting as much out of regen as possible. You maintain complete control while getting maximum decel that way.
Anyway, I have bee using that set-up on my powered bikes for literately 5 years now. It allows for one brake lever on the left with one throttle lever on the right. I cannot use the thumb throttles, over long distances holding them at WOT my hands cramp, its just unpleasant. I like the thumb triggers snowmobile style, but my favourite is the brake lever throttle for sure. Holding it down is easy as cake

In other news, bike is still noncomissioned due to the bleeding of these brakes being just the worst thing around. I am waiting to be paid, then i will prbly invest in a bleed kit or at least try and proccur an appropriate sized syringe for the forcing of oil through from the bottom up. I am having a hell of a time clearing the whole system because it is twice as long with two different piston sets in it, meaning twice as much air in the first place with twice as many places for it to get suck and half the bleed valves. It's the very first time I have played with hydro brakes, and I frocking hate it. There is literally like 10 bikes worth of frocking mineral oil on the ground. If it was DOT brake fluid I would be dead by now.