Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby binlagin » Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:27 pm

Thanks for the advice guys.

I have did some shaving with a Dremel to the dropouts and created a little more clearance to center the axel. I ended up dishing the tire a bit as-well... but the tire is lining up alot better now!

Here's a video of me trying out the Cromotor and everything else with a low powered controller. In this video i'm running 44v @ 15AH. The torque on this motor is awesome!



I can't wait to hook up the rest of my batteries and switch the controller for the Lyen, but there is only so much time in the day! At least spring is right around the corner :D
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby fractal » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:41 pm

nice!!! i just cant wait to ride!!!! nice progress on your bike!!!
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby Accountant » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:38 pm

44v @ 15AH only ?

Motor will get anorexic.

Very cruel.
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby binlagin » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:43 pm

Yes, she's starving!

I plan on swapping out controllers tonight for my 18FET Lyen @ 111v! I hope that provides this beast enough juice!I just gotta make sure not to kill the Controller, because I think that will be the limiting factor in my setup!

A question for the electrical guru's... How does Paralleling my batterys pack reduce the amp's being pulled from each Pack configuration? Is it simply divide AMP's being pulled by number of paralleled packs?
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby izeman » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:45 am

Accountant wrote:44v @ 15AH only ?


15ah is only the capacity of the pack. he didn't mention the current. if it was a typo and he meant 15a current - then i agree -LAME *ggg*
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby izeman » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:50 am

binlagin wrote:A question for the electrical guru's... How does Paralleling my batterys pack reduce the amp's being pulled from each Pack configuration? Is it simply divide AMP's being pulled by number of paralleled packs?


no need for a guru here. this is simple math. if you parallel a pack it's like one big pack.
so paralleling 2 6s1p packs with 5.000mah gives you 6s2p with a total of 10.000mah.
as each cell still is capable of eg 25c, the pack can now provide double the power.

each cell only sees half the current when power stays the same. (or a third if you put 3 in parallel, and so on ...)

it's now not 6x 3,7v, it's 6x 7,4v. so each cell has 7.4v, and as P=U*I your assumption is correct :)
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby Timma2500 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:21 am

izeman wrote:
Accountant wrote:44v @ 15AH only ?


15ah is only the capacity of the pack. he didn't mention the current. if it was a typo and he meant 15a current - then i agree -LAME *ggg*


Surely he was just referring to battery capacity :)
Besides i don't think it'd plough through the thick snow that easily if it was only running 15a!



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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby binlagin » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:17 pm

I just got back from testing out the 18FET Lyen controller programmed at 65A on the Controller and 95A on the phase with the Cromotor... all I can say is OMG!

I took it down the street and got it up to 65km/h in a blink of an eye before I ran out of street. I took it to the park and ripped around in the snow.. WOW... this thing is awesome!!!!

I can't wait for all the snow to go away now!

I'll post a video tomorrow!
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby markobetti » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:29 pm

you are going to love the top speed also...Just find a street that meets you requirements :)
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby rojitor » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:04 pm

Seems the giant dh is getting popular ;) very nice setup binladin!
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby Doctorbass » Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:39 am

rojitor wrote:Seems the giant dh is getting popular ;) very nice setup binladin!


I wonder why ?

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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby rojitor » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:58 am

Doctorbass wrote:
rojitor wrote:Seems the giant dh is getting popular ;) very nice setup binladin!


I wonder why ?

:lol:

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why is popular or why i like how he's doing? :)
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby gensem » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:35 am

binlagin wrote:I just got back from testing out the 18FET Lyen controller programmed at 65A on the Controller and 95A on the phase with the Cromotor... all I can say is OMG!

I took it down the street and got it up to 65km/h in a blink of an eye before I ran out of street. I took it to the park and ripped around in the snow.. WOW... this thing is awesome!!!!

I can't wait for all the snow to go away now!

I'll post a video tomorrow!


Every time i hide my bike i can feel my heart pounding! Try it with more phase current and you ll be scared shitless.
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby binlagin » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:26 am

gensem wrote:Every time i hide my bike i can feel my heart pounding! Try it with more phase current and you ll be scared shitless.


I know this is a newb question though... but how can I put more AMP's to the phase wires if I'm only giving 65A to the controller? Are the phase wires running a different voltage then my battery?

I bought 3 of these lastnight, because while playing in the snow I noticed my controller getting quite hot!
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby gensem » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:11 am

binlagin wrote:I know this is a newb question though... but how can I put more AMP's to the phase wires if I'm only giving 65A to the controller? Are the phase wires running a different voltage then my battery?

I bought 3 of these lastnight, because while playing in the snow I noticed my controller getting quite hot!
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/80100406/



There is a thing running inside your controller called PWM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation

According to you your controller is running 65a main and 95a phase so you got have wave modulation running until the motor reachs a certain speed. Allowing more amps during the launch would make the bike get to speed faster (and do wheelies too).
You could be running 100v 50a battery and when you hit the throttle to take off the motor would be getting something like 33v 150a phase (If you programmed the controller to allow such amps on the phase).

You need a programing cable and the appropiate lead on the controller to change thoses values. If there controller came from Lyen drop him a line about the programing software and the programing adapter.
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby binlagin » Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:42 am

Yea, I have the TTY to USB programing adapter... I feel like I'm part of a MotoGP pit crew when I kneel down beside my bike with my laptop which is connected by USB.

Thanks for the PWM resource... I'll do some more reading! <3 ebikes!

I gotta do some chores around the house then I'll be taking the GoPro out and seeing what it's capeable of... I think I might just leave the Phase AMPerage at 95... for now!
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby binlagin » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:29 pm

Updates!

I've been a busy working on the bike :D

I've installed the rear brake with an extended brake line. I also swapped out my tires for hookworms now that there is asphalt outside!

I charged up the batteries to 125v and set my phase wires to 125amp. This is the result!

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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby markobetti » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:38 pm

OKAY OKAY...now i get what accountant is saying. GUYS BE CAREFUL !! ITS NO JOKE WHEN YOU FALL DOWNR , EVEN CARS SLIP on water AT SOME POINT. You understand that by given specs you are matching the power of x6 motor ?
The frame must be 100 percent safe to ride like this, the brakes need to be 100% clean etc...
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby JoramsWeapon » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:50 pm

I think you flew by me when taking that vid, I saw somebody on what appeared to be a tiny motorcycle fly by me as I passed the Queensway-Carleton hospital on Baseline Road. Dude, you were going FAST!
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby markobetti » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:01 pm

Just figured you are a pro racer on youtube- so who am i to give an advice to you - sorry :)
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby binlagin » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:09 pm

Yeah... no offense taken at all, it's a reality check Markobetti! Thanks for keeping my head level :)

This bike is now a fast and powerful machine. It needs to be treated with respect and I must be 100% confident in my riding and mechanical skills when getting aboard and bringing it up to these speeds.

In this video I'm wearing full motorcycle gear under my jeans and yellow jacket. I try to take safety as serious as possible. Even thou some might not think so in this video :P
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby hydro-one » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:14 pm

hookworks suck on wet grass/wet. just a friendly reminder!! looking GREAT!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby binlagin » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:20 pm

JoramsWeapon wrote:I think you flew by me when taking that vid, I saw somebody on what appeared to be a tiny motorcycle fly by me as I passed the Queensway-Carleton hospital on Baseline Road. Dude, you were going FAST!

Hahah, such a small world to know that I was spotted by an ES member!

Time to get some ES stickers for the bike :) Do you have an ebike? We'll have to meetup and go for a ride! :D
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby JoramsWeapon » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:50 pm

Very small world indeed, I grew up on Iris Street just beside the Ikea. Only rarely do I see an ebiker and they're never on anything as interesting as yours just the expensive bolt-on kits like the BionX. I do have a few bikes and I'd love to ride with you but none of them are going to keep up with that Cromotor though, my 9C 1606 tops out at 60km/h most days. I do have a reservation for the same Cromotor you have but I've run out of funding until I file my taxes :twisted:. Either that or it's back to pasta and sardines until I can order more equipment, and before I thought mopeds cut holes in my wallet...
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Re: Giant DH Team, Cromotor, 18fet Lyen, 111v Lipo

Postby chroot » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:48 pm

Damn that's too fast! But hey becareful on wet road and try think safety comes first than being sorry if you crash. OUCH :lol:

I am looking forward hand 2 of cromotors coming end of this month. 8)
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