Crystalyte 5302 up for grabs. Sale, or trade.

[Indubitably]

3-4 ish but the 5302 is a bastard child and a controller killer but an x5 is still and x5... Your best bet is to convert it to 5304 =P

This just doesn't really make any sense for me from a logistical standpoint. I'd be investing time and effort into rewinding perhaps the fastestest and most high fill motor of its class, in order to get a slow, low fill motor, that is in much greater supply. It would be like buying a $600 Cromotor just to gut it and turn it into a 9 continents motor or something, and thats not even mentionimg the fact that I can gain much of the advantage provided by a higher winding count from wiring up that delta/wye switch.

For that matter, motors don't kill controllers; people kill controllers. If you had a 200a 120v Kelly controller to feed this thing with a nice steady diet of 100 volt goodness at a max of 160a there would be no problem whatsoever with "the motor" killing controllers. People aren't doing that though, they're taking 40a controllers, beefing the crap out of the traces and paralleling an ass load of low amp 100v mosfets together so it can handle 80a, then wondering why their controller "suddenly" makes a sound like putting a Jiffy-Pop tin in the microwave when they try to pull 10kw through it.

I'd really be much better served by using it to turn a little 16" bmx into a high powered mini racing bike and selling that, than fooling around with rewinding it. Hell, if I was going to bother with winding anything, I might as well do my own motor.

[neptronix]

Very correct about controller killing. High speed winds just need high amps / low voltage. A 24-36FET controller would drive this motor just fine on high amps.

I agree, rewinding it would be tons of work. You'd be better off buying a new motor. They're only $350 nowadays.

This would be best in a 16" wheel. This thing could be whooping fast.

[icecube57]

Very correct about controller killing. High speed winds just need high amps / low voltage. A 24-36FET controller would drive this motor just fine on high amps.

I agree, rewinding it would be tons of work. You'd be better off buying a new motor. They're only $350 nowadays.

This would be best in a 16" wheel. This thing could be whooping fast.

A days work.. or two but it would be soooo worth it.

[scriewy]

if the stator is angled you wont be able to delta-wey it, what i hear from docs 42page thread, i got only to pg 10, must continue

[neptronix]

O_O
Just buy a 5304 for $350 brand new and don't waste your time rewinding a motor.

This motor is meant to be hot rodded in a 16" wheel, period.

[icecube57]

O_O
Just buy a 5304 for $350 brand new and don't waste your time rewinding a motor.

This motor is meant to be hot rodded in a 16" wheel, period.

You cant buy a 5304 new. Making a 5302 into a 5304 isnt that hard. You unsolder the phase wires separate and label the paires. Series the the two separated pair groups and resolder the phase wires back on. With good tools it should only take a few hours. You are not "rewinding" from scratch.

[neptronix]

Oh, you're talking about just doing a delta-wye setup then.
That's different.

BUT.. you can buy a 5304, 5303, 5305...

http://lyen.com/

[icecube57]

Oh, you're talking about just doing a delta-wye setup then.
That's different.

BUT.. you can buy a 5304, 5303, 5305...

http://lyen.com/

No im not talking about delta wye. Doctorbass has and steveo has a thread on converting the x5. Its call series parallel windings or something like that. You cant do delta wye with the x5 due to the angled stator teeth as mention above. I think steveo did a 5303 to a 5306 you can do a 5302 to a 5304. The motors that lyen have are the HS and HT they arent the true 20+lbs X% ..you are probably going to counter with some europe...north america naming scheme but if you ask him the weight its going to match the weight of the HS and HT... misleading i know...
Ive been down that road with Lyen.

[neptronix]

Well.. but.. well..
Ok you win!!

Any relevant threads on the 5302 / lyen "x5" motors? i looked on electricrider's page and can't find a decent image of the "phoenix II" motor..

Can't believe he'd sell the motors called that.. just call em HS/HT..

[Indubitably]

Yeah, that nomenclature isn't really intended for buyers that are in the know and realize that the old x5s are different from the new c-lyte motors. They're pretty much just there to help people who are familiar with the old motors replace their stock with new c-lytes from the corresponding speed groupings without needing to understand what things like winding count and fill rate actually mean. Lyen isn't exactly the first guy to use this naming Ver. 2 / Phoenix 2 naming scheme either, if I'm not mistaken, its floating around on at least another 2 or three different sites.

At any rate, I'm not going to bother with the Delta Wye thing for now, so I'll just wire it up and ship it out to whom ever winds up buying it as soon as the bearings come in. I've just got too much on my plate with building the drive train for my trike project right now to be getting into more hub motor tomfoolery at the moment, but its a pretty straight forward mod for anyone inclined to go through the motions with either relays or physical switching.

[Philistine]

Can you post up a photo of it (showing the quality of the wheel build and axle etc..).

Also, if you are happy to, the basic (ie boxed/packed) dimensions and weight to allow interested parties to calculate shipping without hassling you might be helpful.

Personally I have to close my eyes when I read suggestions of turning the 5302 into a 5304. For me that is blasphemy. I own two X5304s and one 5303 which is out of action at the moment. I don't get the fuss about the 5304. It is awesome on my Yuba, when I am pulling myself, two children, and a bunch of shopping, but on a standard ebike, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't prefer the 5303. Sure I blew apart two controllers with my 5303 before realising I had to get all Mandingo with a 24 Fet, but in my opinion, I will always choose the fastest possible wind that my controller will handle. I live in a relatively flat city, but it has hills/mountains and is not a prairie (we have a competitive downhill mountain bike course), but I have never found a single incline that my 5303 has ever struggled with, but it will do well over 70kph on 20S. I just don't get the fuss about slower wind motors, personally I hate them. I concede that is because I mainly ride on the road or commute, and I realise I would smoke my HS35 and my 5303 if I took it for a serious mountain bike ride, and I appreciate that, but unless you are mountain bike riding, or live in the Alps, I just don't understand why you would ever go slower on your wind than a 5303 (unless you weren't manly enough to strap a 24 fet on).

I am so enamoured with my 5303, that thinking about a 5302 makes me wonder if I have a rock in my pocket. It's like that moment everyone has with drugs (ebikes are just another addiction for me), where you wonder if X makes you feel good (albeit whilst vomiting and shitting your pants, and nearly killing you), wouldn't 2X be twice as good?

Personally I suspect that this 5302 thing isn't even real, and is mythical like the DVDA.

But a man must have dreams, so please post up photos, I can add the funky bass riffs over the top in my mind.....

[Evoforce]

I totally agree with you philistine!

[Indubitably]

Wow, I hadn't realized just how much time had past by, since I last visited the site. I will soon have finished my third move in about a 6 month period, which is a bit nomdadic even by my standards, and I'm afraid these things just have a way of pushing all but the critical projects to the back burner. I wasn't terribly impressed with the pictures that came out of the the Jerry rigged camera repair I did on my tablet anyway, but I'm afraid its something of a moot point now, since the pictures, along with the tablet itself, went missing a couple of weeks ago. I'll see if I can't at least find a bathroom scale around here though, and get you guys some measurements so it doesn't seem so entirely like the motor is vaporware. At the moment it is still sitting on my work bench sans barings, but I do at least have the phase wires run, so all really need to do is replace the hall effect wires and test it out.

[Philistine]

It's a long shot, but I have a X5304 laced into a 26inch rim I would swap you, but I am in Australia. I think you shipping to me might only be about $100 (if it is the size of a 20inch), but me to you goes crazy expensive if we keep it in the 26inch rim. One way we could do it is I take the hub out of its rim, and post you the rim and spokes seperately, and you lace it back together when you get it. If you try and send the weight coupled with size that is a 26inch X5 if it is crazy expensive (several hundred dollars) but I think it I could get it into two parcels it might be something like $100-150. I would be willing to contribute $100 to the deal to do the swap (that way you would offset your postage by $100), with me covering my shipping (ie you to me).

I would want to see photos of yours, and I would send you photos of mine (we could also exchange photos of the hubs as well ).

[Jake lodish]

Hey if you still have that crystalyte 5302 I'll buy it
Can pay you with PayPal immediately
Or however you want to do it
Thanks
Jake 310 435 8448