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Except the motor will be spinning so fast legs won't be able to keep up... its strictly a 4-5 mph to meet a regulation type setup.
The biggest issue for me about this bike not having pedals is I can't even ride it on jeep road and motorcycle trails or anything that is not on a closed course or private property legally. Up until a few years back, Nevada didn't have any title or registration requirements for OHV vehicles. Now we have to register EVERYTHING through the DMV . And to do that, the vehicle has to have VIN.I can confirm that the bikes have a VIN/chassis number so this will assist with your registration process.
I can also confirm that a pedal kit is available as a kit from the factory, as i have an image of it in the spare parts catalogue.
It does not show the integration only an exploded view diagram.
I will be ordering a few of these kits with the next shipment of bikes coming to Australia/New Zealand in February.
Aebrennan said:[] The biggest issue for me about this bike not having pedals is I can't even ride it on jeep road and motorcycle trails or anything that is not on a closed course or private property legally. Up until a few years back, Nevada didn't have any title or registration requirements for OHV vehicles. Now we have to register EVERYTHING through the DMV . And to do that, the vehicle has to have VIN.
I can confirm that the bikes have a VIN/chassis number so this will assist with your registration process.
I can also confirm that a pedal kit is available as a kit from the factory, as i have an image of it in the spare parts catalogue.
It does not show the integration only an exploded view diagram.
I will be ordering a few of these kits with the next shipment of bikes coming to Australia/New Zealand in February.
Aebrennan said:I will confirm the number of digits in the VIN and advise.
The catalogue shows 2 sizes for motor gear and 3 sizes for rear sprockets.
I will be ordering all available options and advise once I have them.
I have been in communication with the factory for months and was not told about any of these options, it is only since receiving the documentation I now know this information.
And that totally screws the gear ratio to the motor. Ingenious!Alex Imreh said:For pedal system check this video - Kick Pedal System Assembly
parabellum said:And that totally screws the gear ratio to the motor. Ingenious!
Am I missing something?
dirkdiggler said:I might be mistaken here, but if the chain length doesn't decrease wouldn't the gear ration be the same? The wheel isn't going to turn any faster, as it has to go around the gearing of the pedal system's gear also. Does that make any sense?
He is going from about 60 teeth to 25 teeth at the back, this means the bike will loose 60% of its torque and go way fast on throttle.
The distance between the seat the pedals appears to be ridiculously small, so it looks like pedaling a kid tricycle...
You only have a 1:1 ratio for pedaling, so this will be a very small pedaling range.
If those members could tell us what input they had in the bikes design I'm sure alot of us would be keen to hear the story.mr.electric said:I heard the ebike battery was developed here in the USA by a few key engineers a few of them actually ESers....and they work on a team with the L word.
https://electricbike-blog.com/2017/12/12/welcome-to-the-new-age-of-affordable-electric-motorcross-testing-the-sur-ron-60v-32ah-dirt-bike/Luke ‘Live for Physics’ and I took out this bike several times while I was at Luna and he was downright enthusiastic about it. His first impression when riding this bike was “China … doing it right”. High praise for someone who worked for many years to bring Zero to where it stands today as the absolute leader in electric motorcycles in the USA. They ripped apart the 32Ah PF cell pack and claimed that it was “The best ebike pack they have ever seen come out of China.” Wow, just wow.
Every aspect of the bike right now, and in any form, is for offroad use only. Sounds like marketing buzz wordsI also heard of big upgrades that Luna is going to offer very soon "for off road use only"
You mean FOC, and Mobipus ? Either way, Nope. The bike uses a modified GM HPM3000 which is rated at 3kw. It handles 6kw peak brilliantly and I dare say you could push it to 10kw peak but a genuine 15kw continuous, no way. Above this motor GM have a larger 5kw and 10kw rated motor. The 10kw motor will do 15kw but there's no way that will fit in this frame.you will be able to run over 15k continuous watts with a fov sine wave controller (a modipus unit) and upgraded battery and bms...
macribs said:+1 knoxie.
Take it one step further, don't even mount the pedals. Just put them in a vice and give em a nice bend and a few scratches. Enough angle so that they would be impossible to use. Put them in your backpack and use it as a "prop for show and tell" if you ever do get stopped by the police. "No you see sir, I had a mild crash sir, and I ruined my pedals, so I had to remove them in order to get home safely". Yes thank you sir, I will make sure I get new pedals mounted right away when I get home".
macribs said:Rix I think you are way to nice here. When people said that the pedal for legal reason was a thing, I bet you not even a single person was thinking of a solution where more then half the torque was gone. I mean what is the point of a mid drive if not having plenty of torque? [/b]I would say the problem regarding the legal issue did not get solved - because the way they "solved" it take away the benefits from the bike.
Alex Imreh said:...
The main reason to build something similar with pedals is to have longer range to do real trails. My first motorcycle, the one I used to learn biking was a Yamaha WR250F quite a few years ago 120kg weight. My target is to make trails i did with that gas enduro, to make over 100km offroad and with serious uphills, with electric bikes at half weight compared to modern gas enduros.
There will be never enough options, the game is just starting, there will be more and more hybrid models, somewhere between downhill bikes, light enduro motorcycles, speed pedalecs and so on. At present level of lithium technology the only way to make 100km offroad, or 200km onroad is with pedals, that is at a price level well under 5000euro.
Others could use same frame with power hubs, we still have bits of a free world, let people talk about legality, noise, let MTBs complain about the immorality of enduro bikes, I will do what i want what i like, others will do same. If someone can use his "illegal" bike on trails, in the countryside, that is his own business in my opinion
4# But a big battery does not implies an illegal bike. If the engine is relatively small we will have a legal speed pedalec, NO NEED for EU homologation, no need for plate/insurrance, that will also mean a long range. Small bike builders can compete on this area, big companies will have an advantage when it comes to EU homologations.
But the game is just beginning, there will be a golden age for ebikes, many more hybrid models to come and hopefully more and more builders will be able to start business, go to the next level of the game - ie small production. Cooperation could be the best way..
Hyena said:How NOT to ride the Surron!
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efMX Trials Electric Freeride said:have you seen the "Mammoth" ebike yet??
seems to maybe check many of your boxes..
enduro design, up to 100km range, wide range 9 speed sequential gear box for the pedal transmission..
mammothebike.com
Hyena said:How NOT to ride the Surron!