Bartosh said:Larsb, IIRC you've got an old S or P version of this controller. Can you give it a spin with no load/no chain, in a regular mode, and check out if you get an instant response like 4k rpm and above? Really fast opening and closing of a throttle. I wonder if they changed it in a new SP or it was always like that.
If it's temp-related, which I will verify on the go in couple days, maybe we need to focus on a pcb mod.
and now imagine how this piece of sh!% pissed me off =) hard enduro is all about climbing))))Bartosh said:I can confirm, there's some kind of (current/current-rise-gain) limit in place. In my case it hit after about 15 -25 minutes of "abuse" (eg. long, steep uphills), can't point the moment when it happened exactly, I just got surprised by it at some point.
yep, you got it)Bartosh said:If I get it right, SilentEnduro's trying to get rid of the cut offs, making an assumption the problem (or the controller's reaction) may be dc current- or shunt- related. If the controller limits the batt current in the event we're talking about, he may be successful. Problem I see here: there is no phase current sensor inside. If it's calculated based on that shunt, which I believe it is, you can overshoot and burn the mosfets.
Hi.Bartosh said:Listen Miguel, the cruise control does actually work. I just changed pb3 input to 15:cruise and activated it with my sport mode switch without any surprises. However it's kinda shaky @ no load. It's deactivated on a throttle move or the switch. Just find an empty input and make use of it. Here's how it works: https://s.amsu.ng/4eVjDA9LRFaN
alek.palmero said:Hi.Bartosh said:Listen Miguel, the cruise control does actually work. I just changed pb3 input to 15:cruise and activated it with my sport mode switch without any surprises. However it's kinda shaky @ no load. It's deactivated on a throttle move or the switch. Just find an empty input and make use of it. Here's how it works: https://s.amsu.ng/4eVjDA9LRFaN
Can "15:cruise" setting be placed to the "Low Brake" that I don't use. Which "PB" corresponds to the "Low Brake" plug?
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Hey guys. It's a freaking blackbox. Please point a temp sensor on the pcb and I'll do it in the blink of an eye (-;larsb said:Let’s say root cause is overtemp then you remove temp sensor, take the risk. Should work.
larsb said:If you instead adjust shunt then only thing you’ll do is offset the current sensing, still protection will occur from the overtemp.
larsb said:If root cause is hard coded time limit for sport mode, same thing, it won’t be solved by offsetting current limit. Just reprogram controller in “high” mode instead
SilverLine said:But how warm do you guys votol get ? Mine dosnt even get temperatur at all, when touching the heatblock. So i find it hard to believe its a over-heating problem ? That massive heat block, looks pretty overrated compared to many other controllers on the market.
Please don't :wink: I'm putting my votol on a shelf as soon as the nucular is hereSilverLine said:I think we have more luck in you, than with the QS / votol guys :wink:
Bartosh said:Guys please confirm the corelation I described (temp, coeff, @brake+WOT, results on wheels after it's "overheated"). Are we getting somewhere? Still too many questions [;
- it's like you open a throttle but nothing is happening. for example going long uphill, losing power on top but reaching flat surface, not releasing a throttle and it goes normat again.Is it a complete shutdown or just lower output?
in a second, no need to stayHow long time before output is back to normal?
nopeCan you remove limiting by switching on and off? (Then it’s not overtemp error)
yep, and on different versions of Votol S/SP/CANDoes it happen the same way every time it’s tested (not cutoff due to random electronics error)
no errorsDid you readout controller errors when it happens? First thing to do..
same config with another controller (kelly) goes better, deffinitely not BMS relatedDo you have BMS that could trip in overheat error? Did you try without BMS?
yes removed, no changesDid you remove all voltage protections in program? Does this affect limiting? Remove bms if you can before this test.
no need, can reproduce on cold controllerCan you try to preheat controller with a heat gun? Does it affect limiting? (It’s overtemp)
Different time, based on situation, but each time hard climbingDid you measure the time it takes to limiting? Is it always the same? (Aka there’s a time limit in sport mode)
onestly, not tested on sport modeDid you try in both high mode and sport mode? Is limiting the same? (General limit in program)
limiting is not related to current changes in softwareDid you increase busbar current? Is limiting the same? If it’s consistently shorter then protection is likely overtemp in controller or bms.
Just a quick question. You did test it in high mode only or there's no comma where it should be? (-; asking since the normal (high) mode is so laggy in my controller that it's basically useless. That's why I only use the sport mode.SilentEnduro said:onestly, not tested on sport modeDid you try in both high mode and sport mode? Is limiting the same? (General limit in program)
Bartosh said:Just a quick question. You did test it in high mode only or there's no comma where it should be? (-; asking since the normal (high) mode is so laggy in my controller that it's basically useless. That's why I only use the sport mode.SilentEnduro said:onestly, not tested on sport modeDid you try in both high mode and sport mode? Is limiting the same? (General limit in program)
Bartosh said:Hey. Both. It responds with 0.5sec delay, starting torque from 0rpm like 50% of the sport mode. No way to wheelie in high mode at my current gearing.