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RC throttle interface build tutorial........

Postby recumpence » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:25 pm

I have had numerous requests for a turn-key throttle solution for RC systems. So, to that end, I am starting this tutorial for the technically challenged who want the basics of how to build a throttle for an RC throttle interface system with off the shelf parts.

Bear in mind, I am not the first to setup a throttle like this, nor am I an electronics engineer. In fact, I am somewhat electronically challenged myself. However, I have been forced to learn some basics for the good of my hobby and the industry as a whole. I want to share a basic throttle layout here for beginners to refer to. This is obviously super simple for the very technically inclined members of our forum. But, it should help those who are not as technically savy. :D

The products I am using here are;

#1 Astro Flight servo tester
#2 Dimention Engineering VHV BEC (Very High Voltage Battery Eliminator Circuit)
#3 Magura twist grip E-throttle

You can use other brands of BEC and servo tester if you desire, especially if you want to save some money. But, these are the items readily available at my local hobby shop. So, that is why I chose them. They are also high quality and work well together.

NOTE: All individual instructions are written in the caption boxes below each picture for reference.
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Here are the components layed out as they come in the package.
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First, remove the board from the Servo Tester case.
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Next, carefully remove the Potentiometer from the circuit board. Save this part as well as the knob. They can be reused later for an add-on to the throttle if desired (more on that later).
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Next, flip the board over and locate the solder points from the pottentiometer you just removed.
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Next, solder the throttle wires to the potentiometer points on the rear of the board as shown. Be sure to use the color combination shown here (black, brown, blue).
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Now, take the BEC and locate the 3 wire lead coming from it, along with the two (black and red) wires at the rear of the Servo Tester board as shown.
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Now, using ONLY the red and black wires from the output of the BEC, solder them to the points on the Servo Tester board that originally held the original red and black wires (clip the left over wires that are dangling from the Servo Tester board). The orange (third) wire coming from the BEC is no longer used. I just clip it short.
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Here you see the Throttle Interface with all wiring completed.
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Re: RC throttle interface build tutorial........

Postby recumpence » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:32 pm

Next, once all wiring is finished, I normally wrap the BEC in tape, then foil, then tape again. This is to reduce/eliminate RF interfereance from the switching circuit of the BEC. That RF can bother the servo tester and create some glitches.

The bottom picture shows two completed throttles next to each other. The lower throttle has both boards merely taped together (using tape to insulate the two from shorting against each other). Wide heat shrink tubing can be used as well for a more finished look, as well as better durability. The top throttle has both boards mounted in a simple Radio Shack project box.

The throttle is now finished, ready to use! You merely supply 24 to 48 volts to the black and red input wires (the two bare wires hanging out the side) and plug the other wire into your RC controller, and you are ready to go!
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Here the foil is wrapped around the BEC. It will be taped next.
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Here is a completed throttle. This is the smallest and simplest arrangement with the servo tester and BEC merely taped (or heat shrinked) together. IMPORTANT------ Be sure to wrap the BEC in tape after the foil wrap or the foil will short out the Servo Tester board if they touch!!!!!
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Re: RC throttle interface build tutorial........

Postby recumpence » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:42 pm

Lastly, I figured a simple way of reusing the Pot that was removed from the Servo Tester board as a throttle end point limiter.

I do not have good pictures of the wiring to do this. But, basically, you run the blue wire (from the Magura throttle) to the second Pot (the one we removed earlier). This wire should go to the center terminal on that removed Pot. Next, you run a separate wire from the terminal to the right of that center pin on the Pot to the terminal on the back of the Servo Tester board that the blue wire should have gone. This, effectively, gives you an adjustable throttle end point.

Now, this end point adjustment is NOT a current limiter. It is a throttle end point adjustment. So, when that Pot is set at 50%, your twist grip throttle will only output 50% at full throttle rotation. This limits the top speed attained and increases throttle resolution making for much smoother throttle response. This is especially helpful for high speed/power setups where you want to be able to limit speed and soften throttle response for a beginner who wants to ride it.

Adjustable throttle is shown to the right of a non-adjustable throttle.

This particular throttle was built for my 12.5kw trike. :D
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Re: RC throttle interface build tutorial........

Postby 12p3phPMDC » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:03 am

Thanks for posting that Matt...
I'll be picking up a Magura and doing this as well.
What's your opinion of the Magura?

Seems like Magura makes throttles for pull cable throttles too.

I bought a lousy thumb pot throttle that I'm not happy with at all.
It has a weird full throttle catch which is not what you want in a throttle IMHO.
I've gone through great lengths on cars to insure that the throttle never
sticks wide open, and this company built a throttle that
does just that :shock:
Its a low tech cruise control I guess...which may be good for a low power setup.
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Re: RC throttle interface build tutorial........

Postby recumpence » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:01 am

I have mixed emotions about this twist grip throttle. The quality is OK, I suppose. My beef is the fact that it is all plastic. However, the plastic is thick and well molded. Also the return spring is pretty stiff. Not horribly so, but a touch stiffer than I would normally choose. Other than that, it is really pretty decent. The price is good as well.

Oh, also, I plan to make a thumb attachment for this to make a basic thumb throttle. If you picture cutting this twist grip very short so only 1/2 inch of the twist barrel is left, then add a thumb tap to the remaining twis barrel portion. Pretty simple. It could be cut to half length too for a half throttle like a half grip, twist shifter.

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Re: RC throttle interface build tutorial........

Postby 12p3phPMDC » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:27 am

Awesome,

Thanks for the explanation. I was thinking about the half grip half twist throttle option.
That will let you grip the top part of the handle independently of the throttle.
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Re: RC throttle interface build tutorial........

Postby etard » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:04 am

Yeah thanks for posting that.

For some reason the twist grip without engine revving feels awkward to me. I think a thumb throttle would be better. Are you selling any of those custom cnc'd thumb throttles like on the pk?
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Re: RC throttle interface build tutorial........

Postby mclovin » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:11 am

Thanks, Matt. This is awesome. It is so much easier to understand how to construct something when I can see what needs to be done.

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Re: RC throttle interface build tutorial........

Postby recumpence » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:21 am

Maybe the "Powers that be" can stickfy this thread for future reference. I already put a link in the resources thread, though. :D

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