I also agree sensored is the way to go, ultimately. Yes, Bob is at least willing to talk to me about his findings and what is going on with sensors. However, even I have been unable to get him going on it. I do know he does not particularly want to make the boards himself. But, he told me directly that he has an outside vendor that came up with a solution and is sending him a board to test. I do not know exactly what that meand time-wise, though. I would assume it is a llooooong time away. Anyway, I do not want to muddy up this thread with the sensor issue. Sensors are where we need to be for E-bike nirvana, for sure. However, the stadard Astro 3210 is just about perfect for our needs even with the sensorless issues. So, being that this is the closest we can come at this point, I can at least get us a group buy discount on them.
I am not 100% sure about all 6 wires exiting the can. Yes, I can get various winds (I cleared that with Bob yesterday). I do not want to convolute the whole thing with 30 different motor layouts in our order of 50 motors. Never-the-less, it may not be a big deal for Bob. After all, these motors are hand assembled and hand wound. A few winding differences is not a big deal. What I do not want to have happen is---------------- "OK, Bob, I want 1 motor with silver can, double shafts, 5 turn, 6 wire. Next I want a black can, 5 turn, single shaft, 6 wire. After that, I want 3 motors 7 turn singles shaft, silver can, 3 wires." You know what I mean? Part of the group buy thing is making it easier for the manufacturer. Various turns is fine and I may be able to talk Bob into exiting 6 wires on some motors. But, I do not want to push my luck with too many differences. Actually, what may be best is ,once we have all motors spoken for, I can send Bob a list and quietly sneak a few into that list that specify 6 wire. He will be so happy to have a large order like this that he may not care at that point.
1% of the world's population can think "Outside the box". The rest are firmly stuck within the box. Where are you?