This is the meat and potatoes of it.... (see quote below) though I am continuing to do business with xlyte myself since Kenny tends to be more reliable than all of the other guys I have dealt with. He can be tricky... but he wont down right screw you. If I were a consumer it might be different - but as a small time re-seller I could tell you true horror stories of dealing with 9C and others.... who will hang you out to dry.
Sorry for discussion in your sales thread Max but you did clearly ask for comment and open the debate.
oatnet wrote:It sucks that Kenny of xlyte resorted to this trick, in order to recapture the overpriced market share he lost when significantly cheaper competitors showed up. That is why I am BOYCOTTING xlyte these days - I bought (3) 8x8 9c from methods, but didn't buy in on methods' ultra-cheap sale for the new xlyte's even though they were sensored. It is worse that xlyte stuck folks like you, who brought cheap xlyte to E:S in the past but didn't understand the implications of sensorless, with reduced-functionality motors. However, I also hate for newbies who don't know any better to get stuck with them too, and maybe get turned off to the hobby.
no need to be sorry Methods,,,your welcome to leave comments anytime,,,ive read all the posts about sensored and sensorless,,,on my crystalyte 48v45amp sensorless controller and my HS motor all i can offer here is my own experience,from a dead stop i experience no jerking what-so-ever,,,i went on a 15km trip the other day and went up a highway over pass (steep hill) and was doing 40km top speed all the way up the hill,,,on the straights my top was 49kmph with still room to go but i simply did not have enough straight aways to get to top speed so i will not know till i go to an area that will allow me to experiment with the top speed,,,im 165 Lbs,,,and there was plenty of torque for an HS.,,,,now ,,,for those that want "custom performance" in other words,crazy high amps 60amps to 100+ and volts exceeding 80+ then perhaps sensorless is not the way to go,,,but for those that want to keep to more down to earth and safer speeds,,,and believe me once you hit 50kmph on a regular bike converted to electric its scary fast, im real comfortable at between 35 and 45 kmph.put me on a motorcycle and i have no problems going 100kmph +++,,,but thats a motorcycle with big wheels and suspension designed to go fast.for me the bottom line is this,,,,for "off the shelf performance", a clyte sensorless motor coupled with the clyte controller without any modifications,to me is simply pure enjoyment quality ride,period.for those wanting performance enhancements then from what ive read u need to go sensored.